The Springs in the Desert Podcast

Springs in the Desert

As women and men traveling the hard path of infertility and loss, we know the importance of community. Allie, Ann and Kimberly speak from the heart about their own struggles and lessons learned on this journey. Allie's husband James brings light to the rarely discussed male perspective of infertility with the regular feature "A Man's Take." Join us for discussion, prayer, special features and the opportunity to walk together in hope toward God's promise for a fruitful life! www.springsinthedesert.org, info@springsinthedesert.org

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This month, we warmly welcome new guest Jen to the podcast. Jen and Kimberly share from the heart about their experiences of adoption and how they discerned this calling from God. Please join us for this uplifting conversation as we explore how we can trust in the Lord, even it times of great uncertainty and through the grief of infertility, that He has a good plan for each of us. You’ll hear about the beauty of adoption, some encouragement if you’re considering it, and practical tips for how to begin discerning this possible calling in your marriage. Resources: Found Documentary (Netflix) Wait No More by Kelly & John Rosati Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Nov 24

33 min 12 sec

This month, we warmly welcome new guest Natalie to the podcast to hear her story of unexplained secondary infertility. We talk about the upcoming holiday season and how pregnancy announcements can be especially difficult during this time. We share how God is helping us hold onto joy amidst the sorrow and pain we feel, and how He has a good plan for each of us and for everyone who struggles with infertility. We end with some practical tips, prayers, and ideas for navigating difficult moments of grief during this season of joy and announcements. Resources: You can follow Natalie on Instagram at: @natalie_m_blackford or on Facebook: Natalie Blackford. St Andrew Christmas Novena: https://www.praymorenovenas.com/st-andrew-christmas-novena. Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Nov 10

33 min 9 sec

This month, James welcomes Ian back to the podcast for a fun chat about the importance of pursuing hobbies as men, especially when dealing with infertility. Join us for this light-hearted discussion about how infertility has presented us with new opportunities for growth with the Lord and for creativity as sons of God. The Lord continues to stretch us and draw us to Him in so many ways, and our hobbies are an important part of that. Come along with us to have your spirit lifted in your walk as a son of God! Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Oct 27

36 min 38 sec

Today, we talk honestly about healing and infertility. For some of us, healing in a season of infertility may mean eventually conceiving and giving birth to a child. But many of us are trying to conceive and becoming exhausted and discouraged. Some have received a definitive diagnosis that makes the possibility nearly, or absolutely, impossible. Others are entering menopause or are now past childbearing age, yet still feeling the pangs of pain from a desire that will not be fulfilled. For all of us, the questions remain: Can I be healed? What does healing look like for me? How has God been working in my life to heal me already? Kimberly, Ann and Cassandra discuss the pain of infertility feels like and how it can be described, and think together about what healing in our infertility even looks like outside of conceiving and giving birth. They reflect on how God has touched their lives so far and acknowledge that grief and healing can be a lifelong process. Finally, they share some practical ways that we can cooperate with God’s grace in order to invite Him into our pain, as we place our hope of being healed in Him alone. Resources for this episode: More on Cassandra’s experience at Lourdes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOdTv9PdndU Lourdes grotto webcam: https://www.lourdes-france.org/en/tv-lourdes/ How to pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet: https://www.thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/pray-the-chaplet If you enjoy this podcast, please rate and review it so that we can reach more people with this message of hope. And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, please email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Oct 13

30 min 52 sec

This month Allie and Stacey welcome new guest Abby to discuss femininity in infertility. They share from the heart about their own struggles and the easily believed lie that equates womanhood with bearing children. They chat about the truth that God calls each of us to a deeper understanding of our femininity, and the many ways we can live it out. We hope you’ll join us to be blessed and uplifted by this conversation! Resources: My Sisters the Saints by Colleen Carroll Campbell (https://www.ignatius.com/My-Sisters-the-Saints-P1779.aspx) The Wild Goose Series (https://thewildgooseisloose.com/wild-goose-main-page) Podcast Series on Servant of God Elisabeth Leseur (https://open.spotify.com/episode/0fIlYh7cEC2gIEDbURRc0n) Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Sep 23

38 min 41 sec

Although we may not think of it in this way, infertility is often as much a spiritual battle as it is a physical and emotional one. Even as we are told to “relax” and “just enjoy ourselves,” we do all the things to try and conceive, which puts pressure on us, causes stress, and perhaps leads to lack of faith in the God who loves us and wants what is good for us. In this episode Ann, Cassandra and Kimberly get real about the negative thoughts that can destroy our peace, and how the Evil One tries to “push our buttons” to make us believe God is punishing us, withholding His gifts, and even that He doesn’t really love us. They share their personal experiences of battling negativity and offer practical suggestions for turning negative thoughts into opportunities to see God’s grace in abundance. Finally, they share the truth that every woman, regardless of her struggle with infertility, is a beloved daughter of God! Resources for this episode: Searching for and Maintaining Peace, by Fr. Jaques Philippe https://spiritualdirection.com/ has abundant resources on prayer, spiritual direction and battling the lies Satan throws in our path to make us stumble If negative feelings are adversely affecting your mental health and/or your marital relationship, counseling and therapy are amazing ways that God uses to bring about healing and peace. Check out https://wellcatholic.com/ or https://www.catholictherapists.com/ to find help that is in accord with your faith and values If you enjoy this podcast, please rate and review it so that we can reach more people with this message of hope. And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, please email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Aug 25

30 min 52 sec

Stacey is joined by Katie and Anna for Natural Family Planning Awareness Week 2021. We discuss the good, bad, and the ugly when it comes to using NFP when you're having difficulty conceiving.  Language matters and we discuss the different NFP lingo (including the term Natural Family Planning itself) and the connotations we have with them.  Finally, we talk about the importance of allowing for a break, whether it's for your mental health or the health of your marriage.  You are under No Obligation to do Everything At All Times to increase your chances of pregnancy, and sometimes the best thing to do is to take a big step away from the chart/app/medications. Prayer we mentioned: https://pintswithaquinas.libsyn.com/122-how-to-order-your-life-with-fr-ryan-mann Website for NFP Method comparisons: https://www.managingyourfertility.com/ Connect with us on Facebook or Instagram

Jul 28

37 min

James welcomes Ian to this “A Man’s Take” podcast episode to discuss Father’s Day and marriage as men experiencing infertility. They share insights into how infertility has impacted their marriages: some of the challenges and opportunities it has presented, how it’s provided a unique path to holiness, and with their wives, they’re moving forward with the Lord into new life after infertility. Please listen in! Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Jun 23

36 min 28 sec

This month Cassi and Allie continue our discussion on spiritual motherhood with two very special guests: Sister Anna Rose and Sister Mary Gemma, Franciscan Sisters Third Order Regular of Penance of the Sorrowful Mother! They share from the heart about their experiences of spiritual maternity and the very real desire for physical motherhood, and they provide encouragement for women walking the difficult path of infertility to embrace their own call to spiritually mother – that is, to love, nurture and raise others up to God in a way that is uniquely feminine. We hope you’ll join us to be blessed and uplifted by these beautiful sisters! Resources: Nuns and Babies: Part One, Blog Post from Cassi (https://www.springsinthedesert.org/nuns-and-babies-part-1/) Franciscan Sisters TOR of Penance of the Sorrowful Mother (https://www.franciscansisterstor.org/) Franciscan Sisters TOR of Penance of the Sorrowful Mother, Life of Intercessory Prayer: Spiritual Motherhood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwLTNxeplUg) Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

May 26

43 min 21 sec

It’s National Infertility Awareness Week, and we warmly welcome Katie and Alissa to the podcast to chat with Allie about times we’ve felt supported by others through the experience of primary or secondary infertility. We share examples of how family, friends, clergy, and others have prayed, loved, and cared for us through the difficulties and grief we’ve faced. Through this support, we’ve received the tremendous gifts of increased intimacy, growth in prayer, and an expanded understanding of fruitfulness. Show Notes/Resources: Blog Post from Sydnee for NIAW (https://www.springsinthedesert.org/how-to-overcome-the-isolation-of-infertility-part-one/) Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Apr 21

34 min 58 sec

This month, James welcomes Fr. Paul Varchola West to the podcast to chat about the man of the year, St. Joseph! The life of St. Joseph is profoundly inspiring for those of us experiencing infertility and loss. Listen in as James and Fr. Paul discuss what we know about St. Joseph from the Bible, how we can relate to him through the experience of infertility, and how we can better devote ourselves to his intercession. St. Joseph, pray to God for us! Show Notes/Resources: “My Plans are Not Your Plans”: The Calling of St. Joseph by Michael Dominic Taylor (https://springsinthedesert.org/under-the-patronage-of-st-joseph/) Patris Corde, Apostolic Letter by Pope Francis (http://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_letters/documents/papa-francesco-lettera-ap_20201208_patris-corde.html) Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Mar 24

1 hr 11 min

This month we warmly welcome Cassi to the podcast to chat with Stacey and Allie about the truth that God made each and every woman – regardless of whether she bears biological children – to be a mother; that is, to love, nurture, and raise others up to God in a way that is uniquely feminine.  We call this “spiritual motherhood”. We chat about our own misconceptions about spiritual motherhood, what this motherhood looks like lived out in examples from our own lives, what we can learn from priests and religious, and how truly beautiful it is that all women, including those of us carrying the cross of infertility, are called to mother right now, just as we are. “The body, and it alone, is capable of making visible what is invisible, the spiritual and divine. It was created to transfer into the visible reality of the world, the invisible mystery hidden in God from time immemorial, and thus to be a sign of it.” (Pope St. John Paul II). Show Notes/Resources: Blog Post from Cassi (https://springsinthedesert.org/2021/01/28/living-in-holland/) Spiritual Motherhood: Every Woman’s Calling (Alice vonHildebrand) (https://www.plough.com/en/topics/life/parenting/spiritual-motherhood) Spiritual Maternity Sodality (https://spiritualmaternity.org/the-essence-of-spiritual-motherhood/) Undone by Carrie Schuchts Daunt (https://www.avemariapress.com/products/undone) Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Feb 24

40 min 45 sec

We begin the New Year welcoming Cassandra Taylor to the podcast to tell her story of romance, marriage, travel – and a cancer diagnosis that dashed her hopes of ever bearing a child. Allie, Ann and Cassandra talk about how our hopes and dreams for marriage and the expectations we bring into that relationship can be turned upside down, either breaking us or becoming an opportunity to build a stronger marriage that holds unexpected possibilities for fruitfulness. Read more about Cassandra’s story on our blog (https://springsinthedesert.org/author/cassandrataylor16/). We talked about St. Teresa of Calcutta – a superstar saint and intercessor who had “great expectations” in following the Lord, yet lived for decades in “spiritual darkness.” Nevertheless, she continually surrendered herself to Jesus’ mercy. We recommend a collection of her letters, Come Be My Light. Here’s the money quote assuring us that no matter how we feel, Jesus is suffering with us, transforming us, loving us: “In you today - He wants to relive His submission to His Father – allow Him to do so. Does not matter what you feel-as long as He feels alright in you. Take away your eyes from your self and rejoice that you have nothing - that you are nothing - that you can do nothing. Give Jesus a big smile – each time your nothingness frightens you.” Don’t forget to rate, review and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode! Join our community by following us on Facebook and Instagram.  And if you need prayers, someone to listen, or you want to tell your story on our blog, email us at info@springsinthedesert.org.

Jan 28

1 hr 4 min

This special episode of the Springs in the Desert Podcast was recorded as part of our Advent virtual mini-retreat, "Praying Through Infertility." Several members of our team got together to talk about their experiences with prayer and their relationship with God as individuals, and in marriage. They shared struggles and challenges, as well as the good fruits of prayer for their marriages, and in carrying the burden of infertility. Special thanks for this episode to Andrea Mahoney, Phil and Stacey Huneck, Kimberly Henkel, Fr. Paul and Alissa West, and Keith and Ann Koshute. This podcast would not be possible without the skill and dedication of our Producer, Kathryn Wood. Like us on Facebook - and join our private group for discussion, inspiration and prayer requests. Follow us on Instagram @springs_if, subscribe to, rate and review the podcast, read the blog and find other resources at http://www.springsinthedesert.org. Email us with questions, prayer requests or if you want to get involved in our ministry: info@springsinthedesert.org. Thank you for listening and have a blessed and joy-filled Christmas Season and a Happy New Year!!

Dec 2020

1 hr 9 min

This book, Under the Laurel Tree, Grieving Infertility with Saints Joachim and Anna by Nicole M. Roccas, has so much wisdom to offer anyone suffering with infertility! Join Ann, Allie, and Stacey as they discuss thanksgiving in infertility: how we can actively choose to be grateful for God's blessings even in the midst of pain, uncertainty, and fear of the future. They share how the marriage of Saints Anna and Joachim provides hope that God's glory can be revealed in us, no matter how our infertility journey ends. Resources: Under the Laurel Tree book by Nicole M. Roccas https://store.ancientfaith.com/under-the-laurel-tree/ The Protoevangelium of James https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm Remember Your Death: Memento Mori Journal by Sr. Theresa Aletheia Noble, FSP https://www.amazon.com/Remember-Your-Death-Journal-Memento/dp/0819865214 Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Nov 2020

1 hr 1 min

This book, Under the Laurel Tree, Grieving Infertility with Saints Joachim and Anna by Nicole M. Roccas, has so much wisdom to offer anyone suffering with infertility! Join Ann, Allie, and Stacey as they discuss some of the "tough stuff" of infertility, including challenges in prayer and strong emotions like anger and despair. They share how wisdom from the book provides hope for moving from their personal experiences of the dark parts of infertility toward greater intimacy with God. Resources: Under the Laurel Tree book by Nicole M. Roccas https://store.ancientfaith.com/under-the-laurel-tree/ The Protoevangelium of James https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm Grieving Together: A Couple's Journey Through Miscarriage https://www.amazon.com/Grieving-Together-Couples-Journey-Miscarriage/dp/1681921863 In God's Hands Miscarriage and Bereavement Ministry https://www.stthomasofvillanova.org/in-gods-hands.html Songs of Praise: A Psalter for Orthodox Women https://store.ancientfaith.com/songs-of-praise-a-psalter-devotional-for-orthodox-women/ Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Nov 2020

1 hr

This book, Under the Laurel Tree, Grieving Infertility with Saints Joachim and Anna by Nicole M. Roccas, has so much wisdom to offer anyone suffering with infertility! Join Ann, Allie, and Stacey as they discuss the theme of grief and infertility. They share moving wisdom from the book and quotes that speak to and affirm the difficult experience of infertility grief, and they discuss insights and personal examples from their lives about how men and women grieve differently. Resources: Under the Laurel Tree book by Nicole M. Roccas https://store.ancientfaith.com/under-the-laurel-tree/ The Protoevangelium of James https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm Springs in the Desert "A Man's Take" Episode on Grief and Counseling https://open.spotify.com/episode/0AaiktW7RJsM7wSwHdyJ2b The Traditional Stages of Grief (Kubler-Ross Model) https://www.healthline.com/health/stages-of-grief#denial Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Oct 2020

55 min 38 sec

In this episode of A Man's Take, join James and special guest Edward Luersman, a Licensed Professional Counselor who specializes in supporting individuals and couples who experience the pain of infertility and miscarriage.  James and Edward discuss the grief of infertility from the man's perspective, the benefits of counseling, and how couples can best support each other through infertility and loss. Resources: Contact Information for Edward Luersman, LPC, Spirit of Peace Clinical Counseling http://www.spiritofpeaceclinicalcounseling.com/meet-our-team/edward-luersman/ Understanding the Way Men Grieve by J. Scott Janssen, MSW, LCSW https://www.socialworktoday.com/archive/exc_0816.shtml The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John M. Gottman and Nan Silver https://www.gottman.com/product/the-seven-principles-for-making-marriage-work/ The Infertility Companion for Catholics : Spiritual and Practical Support for Couples by Carmen Santamaría and Angelique Ruhi-López https://www.avemariapress.com/products/The-Infertility-Companion-for-Catholics Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Sep 2020

57 min 48 sec

Spiritual, emotional, and physical self-care are essential as we seek to hold onto hope and joy in the midst of infertility and its roller coaster of emotions, challenges, and grief.  Self-care is so much more than a spa day! Join Ann, Cayce, Stacey, Phil, and Allie as they discuss the meaning of self-care as well as personal examples of implementing a self-care routine in the context of infertility. Resources: The 5 Love Languages (https://www.5lovelanguages.com/) Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Sep 2020

51 min 41 sec

In this Women at the Well virtual book club episode on The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur, Kimberly, Allie, and Stacey discuss the marriage of Servant of God Elisabeth Leseur and her atheist husband Felix.  They discuss how prayer is the foundation that allows Elisabeth to joyfully fulfill her role as loving wife to her husband, trusting God with the difficulties, longings, and disappointments.  They share how Elisabeth provides many hopeful examples of how to navigate infertility within their marriages. Resources The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur (https://www.sophiainstitute.com/products/item/the-secret-diary-of-elisabeth-leseur) The Cause for Canonization of Elisabeth Leseur (www.elcause.org) Prayer asking for the Intercession of Elisabeth Leseur - Hannah's Tears (https://hannahstears.org/2011/10/16/elisabeth-leseur-servant-of-god/) The 5 Love Languages (https://www.5lovelanguages.com/) Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Aug 2020

40 min 14 sec

In this Women at the Well virtual book club episode on The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur, Kimberly, Allie, and Stacey discuss the interior life of Servant of God Elisabeth Leseur.  They share how Elisabeth's example of prayer life, especially her ability to trust God and to allow suffering to bring her closer to Him, brings hope to their personal experiences of infertility. Resources The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur (https://www.sophiainstitute.com/products/item/the-secret-diary-of-elisabeth-leseur) The Cause for Canonization of Elisabeth Leseur (www.elcause.org) Prayer asking for the Intercession of Elisabeth Leseur - Hannah's Tears (https://hannahstears.org/2011/10/16/elisabeth-leseur-servant-of-god/) Connect with us on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/) Or Instagram! (https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/)

Aug 2020

37 min 54 sec

In this Women at the Well virtual book club episode on The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur, Kimberly, Allie and Stacey discuss the powerful examples of spiritual maternity in the life of Elisabeth Leseur, who spiritually mothered many people, from family members and godchildren to friends, and even her own atheist husband.  They share personal reflections on Elisabeth's life that relate to their experiences of infertility and they discuss how to live out the call to spiritual motherhood that is innate to the heart of every woman. Resources The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur The Cause for Canonization of Elisabeth Leseur www.elcause.org Prayer asking for the Intercession of Elisabeth Leseur - Hannah's Tears https://hannahstears.org/2011/10/16/elisabeth-leseur-servant-of-god/ Spiritual Motherhood: Every Woman's Calling by Alice von Hildebrand https://www.plough.com/en/topics/life/parenting/spiritual-motherhood Connect with us on Facebook! https://www.facebook.com/SpringsintheDesert/ Or Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/springs_if/

Jul 2020

42 min 51 sec

Discerning treatment can be one of the most difficult aspects of the experience of infertility for some couples.  During a live event, members of the Springs in the Desert Team respond to questions and discuss their personal experiences of praying through decisions about infertility treatment, the impact of infertility treatment on their marriages, the need for self-care, and relating to others about their treatment decisions. Kimberly addresses the love and protection the Church provides through Her teachings about approved, ethical treatments for infertility. Resources from this episode: The Infertility Companion for Catholics Discerning the Will of God and Discernment of Spirits by Fr. Timothy Gallagher, OMV What Does God Want? by Fr. Michael Scanlan Donum Vitae Recent Blog Post from Lynn on the Experience of Vaginismus

Jul 2020

59 min 40 sec

A relationship with God is essential for men to fulfill their mission of becoming saints and leading their wives to Heaven. In this debut episode of 'A Man's Take', a feature of the Springs in the Desert Podcast, James and Phil discuss the importance of prayer and discipline for walking together with their wives through the difficulties of infertility.  They share personal examples of how greater intimacy with Christ can strengthen marriage and draw men closer to their wives. Resources from this episode: Exodus 90, a 90-Day Catholic spiritual exercise for men https://exodus90.com/  The Daily Examen (St. Ignatius of Loyola)

Jul 2020

58 min 24 sec

Infertility often brings a particular kind of suffering that feels isolating and may negatively impact relationships. In our first episode of the Springs in the Desert Podcast, we address the unique challenges that infertility presents for productive communication with our spouse, family and friends, and others.  During a live event, members of the Springs in the Desert Team respond to questions and share personal experiences of learning to better communicate while carrying the burden of infertility in our marriages.  We also offer ideas for addressing intrusive questions and discuss communicating our pastoral needs within our church communities. Resources from this episode: Why Does God Let Bad Things Happen? Homily by Fr. Mike Schmitz Akathist to Jesus, Light to Those in Darkness, by Fr. Lawrence P. Farley The Secret Diary of Elisabeth Leseur, by Elisabeth Leseur Theme Music: Eternal Hope by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) Source: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100238 Artist: http://incompetech.com/

Jun 2020

1 hr 1 min

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Jun 2020

1 min 45 sec