That's a Hard No

Heather Drago and Sarah Saunders

"That’s a Hard No" is a podcast about saying no and setting boundaries to become the authentic and empowered you that this world needs. Join hosts Heather Drago, of Clever Girl Marketing, and Sarah Saunders, of Purposeful Growth and Wellness, as they explore all the different ways we can and should say no in order to make room for the right yesses and start living our best lives.

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THANK YOU! We’re so grateful to all of our listeners and supporters for an amazing first season. What a ride! We’re so passionate about and proud of this podcast, and we’re happy that many of you have found the content we’ve produced to be helpful in your own personal journeys. We’re taking the summer off to get in some much-needed rest and relaxation with our families, but also to retool and plan for Season 2. In this episode, we take a little time to catch up on what’s been going on in each other’s lives and reflect on what we’ve learned from the first season of this podcast. While we’re on break, we’ll continue to stay in touch via social media, so be sure to follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. And while we’re thinking about how to improve the podcast in season 2, WE WOULD LOVE feedback from you! What did you like? What do you think needs improvement? Have any guest or topic suggestions? Please send us your thoughts. We want to show up and make this a great podcast, one that’s fun to listen to, but also inspires growth, healthy relationships, and living fulfilling lives. Send us a DM or head on over to our website's contact page to send us a message. We’ll be back in September, so stay tuned… and have a GREAT summer! XOXO – Heather and Sarah --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Jun 1

27 min 38 sec

In this episode, we talk with OHSFCA Hall of Fame coach, author, and motivational speaker, Tony Legando, about leadership, perseverance, and connection... and oh, so much more. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

May 18

1 hr 15 min

In this episode, we talk with Tim Dorsey about his battle with cancer, overcoming challenges, and how "doing the reps" and understanding that "everything is everything" can help shift your mindset and change your reality. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

May 4

1 hr 28 min

In this minisode, we briefly revisit recognizing family patterns and setting boundaries to change those patterns. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Apr 20

14 min 28 sec

In this episode, we talk about changing family dynamics by setting boundaries, finding connection as a couple when life is crazy, and accepting whatever season of life we find ourselves in. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Apr 13

1 hr 7 min

In this episode, we talk about how to recognize when you're living the life others expect of you, instead of a life true to you (and what to do about it). Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Mar 30

32 min 5 sec

In this episode, we talk with Sarah Rintamaki about saying no to societal expectations and the types of conversations we need to start having in order to facilitate change. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Mar 23

1 hr 5 min

In this special episode, our first since taking a six-week break, we talk honestly about burnout and how to alleviate it. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books, websites, and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Mar 16

39 min 10 sec

In this episode, we talk with Raquel Kelley and Kristen Schneider, of the MOMGUL podcast, about putting ourselves first in order to live our best lives. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to websites and other resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Feb 2

1 hr 16 min

In this minisode, we discuss the importance of strengthening your relationship with your partner by checking in on a monthly, weekly, and daily basis... and how to do it. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to books and resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Jan 26

26 min 3 sec

In this episode, we're joined by Justin Sanders and talk about how he and Sarah approach parenting and life as a partnership. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Jan 19

1 hr 38 min

In this minisode, we talk about New Year's resolutions, intentions and goal setting, and how to think about what this time of year really means in terms of our personal growth. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to books and resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Jan 12

54 min 51 sec

In this episode, Jenn Prochaska talks about her struggles with addiction, finding clarity and community, surrendering to a higher power, and embracing "I don't know." Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Jan 5

1 hr 5 min

It's Christmas week, and we don't know about you... but we're freaking exhausted. 😩 We're betting you're feeling pretty wiped out too. It's hard to spread holiday cheer when you're just not feeling it. So, we sat down and had an honest chat about what's going on in our lives and how we're coping. And we brainstormed lots of ways to practice self-care and (you guessed it!) set boundaries. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to books and resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Dec 2020

49 min 30 sec

In this minisode, we talk about how you can grow your brain and build an arsenal of skills by learning how to set boundaries. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to books and resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Dec 2020

27 min 48 sec

In this minisode, we break down the 5 key elements of emotional intelligence, and provide actionable tips you can apply in your daily life to help develop yours. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to books and resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Dec 2020

27 min 5 sec

In this episode, we talk with designer and educator Jamal Collins about his life and work, how he found his purpose, and how he teaches his students to say no to the “easy path” in order to find success as creators. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and resources mentioned on the podcast. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Dec 2020

1 hr 5 min

In this minisode, we talk about how creativity can interrupt the stress cycle, give us an outlet for self-expression, help us process thoughts and feelings, and encourage healing. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Dec 2020

21 min 40 sec

In this minisode, we discuss the importance of talking to ourselves more than listening to ourselves and shifting our language to approach things with gratitude and a growth mindset. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Dec 2020

19 min 56 sec

In this episode, we talk with Jennifer Stringer about when her life suddenly changed, and how she's thriving in the face of adversity by setting boundaries and refusing to give up. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to Jen's online shop, books, and other resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Nov 2020

1 hr 25 min

In this minisode, we discuss the importance of understanding love languages and how to identify your own love language. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Nov 2020

14 min 41 sec

In this episode, we talk with Jamie Speer, Owner of 1826 Photographic, about setting boundaries and finding laughter and perfection in life's imperfect moments. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which include links to books and other resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Nov 2020

1 hr 9 min

In another (not so mini) minisode (part 2 of 2), we talk about ways to help ourselves when we're feeling anxious, and how to help others with anxiety. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Nov 2020

40 min 6 sec

In this (not so mini) minisode, which is part 1 of 2, we "unpack" or deconstruct anxiety, getting to its root causes. Make sure to tune in on Thursday 11/5 when we drop part 2, which will be a Q&A session about anxiety. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes and links to resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Nov 2020

43 min 50 sec

In this episode, we talk with Ali Klotz, a mother of two, Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, and Co-Owner of POP Nation, who tells us about how she said no when her world became overwhelming. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to the books Ali mentions and other resources. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Oct 2020

1 hr 5 min

In this minisode, we walk through a technique to help with emotional regulation, problem-solving, and decision-making - basically revisiting the concept of “park it, sleep on it, put a pin in it” - which we discussed in our interview with Gail Palmer. If you missed it, be sure to go back and take a listen. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes a link to our parking lot worksheet. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Oct 2020

14 min 44 sec

In this minisode we discuss how embracing the pivots in your life will lead you to your purpose. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to the books and resources we mention. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Oct 2020

22 min 28 sec

In this episode, we talk with Gail Palmer, CEO of Palmer Event solutions and she tells us about the nos that have helped define her company's mission. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes a link to the "parking lot" worksheet that Sarah mentions. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Oct 2020

55 min 59 sec

In this minisode, Sarah explains the concept of choosing your hard – so that you can overcome obstacles and rewire you’re thinking. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to resources and recommendations. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Oct 2020

8 min 27 sec

In our first minisode, Sarah talks about the importance of identifying your why, so that you have the foundation you need to start saying no, set boundaries and create the life you want. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to resources and recommendations. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Oct 2020

8 min 37 sec

Welcome to That's a Hard No – the podcast about saying no and setting boundaries so you can become the authentic and empowered person that this world needs. In our first episode, we introduce ourselves. Meet Heather Drago, of Clever Girl Marketing, and Sarah Saunders, MA, LPCC, of Purposeful Growth & Wellness, as we talk about each of our journeys learning to say no, why we're doing this podcast, and what to expect during our first season. Visit our website – hardnopodcast.com – for show notes, which includes links to resources and recommendations. Like what you hear? Please subscribe, rate and review so others can find us, and make sure to follow us on social media. We're @hardnopodcast on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter.  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Sep 2020

1 hr 14 min

Announcing our new podcast - "That's a Hard No" - a podcast about saying no and setting boundaries to become the authentic, empowered you that this world needs. Join Heather Drago, of Clever Girl Marketing, and Sarah Saunders, of Purposeful Growth and Wellness, as we explore all the ways that we can say no in order to make room for the right yesses. Subscribe now so you don't miss our first episode, dropping Tuesday, September 29th.  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/hardnopodcast/message

Sep 2020

2 min 48 sec