That Makes Total Sense!

Alexis Busetti

Welcome to That Makes Total Sense! A podcast about exploring God’s generosity and justice. I’m Alexis Busetti - a Christian aiming to ask good questions and encourage you to do the same.

Every one of us is wired by God to live out generosity and justice, but sometimes the how eludes us. That Makes Total Sense! is a way for us to get together, posture ourselves as learners, and challenge one other to practice generosity and justice in a tangible way everyday.

All Episodes

Alan Noble joins me to talk about his latest book, You Are Not Your Own. The concept is simple, but as we know simple does not usually mean easy to live out. As believers we understand that we belong to Christ and to each other, not to ourselves, but culture tells us something very different. … Continue reading Episode 119 – Alan Noble

Nov 22

58 min 47 sec

Matthew Soerens of World Relief and the Evangelical Immigration Table joins me today on the podcast to talk about immigration from a biblical perspective. Welcoming the Stranger, one of the books Matt co-authored on the subject, was recently released in a revised and updated edition in order to stay current with the laws and policies … Continue reading Episode 118 – Matthew Soerens

Nov 15

48 min 11 sec

Oh how the tables have turned! Philip, Vince, and Trevor over at The Substance podcast asked me to come on their show. This host ended up on the other side of the interview and…it was so much fun! These three friends and theology buffs have produced dozens of episodes aiming at being biblical, thoughtful, and … Continue reading Episode 117 – The Substance Podcast

Nov 8

1 hr 4 min

Jasmine Bellamy, was just named in Sports Illustrated’s series Elle-evate: 100 Influential Black Women in Sports! She works with Reebok as the lead for the U.S. Direct to Consumer department and most recently as the Head of Change Management for Reebok’s United Against Racism. In that role, Jasmine has initiated Courageous Conversations as a way … Continue reading Episode 116 – Jasmine Bellamy

Nov 1

1 hr 1 min

Karen González joins me on the podcast to talk about immigration and the Bible. Karen’s experiences as an immigrant and her seminary education bring unique perspectives I hope we will all take the time and space to consider. As a child, Karen immigrated to the U.S. with her family from Guatemala. In her book, The … Continue reading Episode 115 – Karen González

Oct 24

52 min 1 sec

This week on the podcast, I offer a little reflection on feelings. Sometimes it’s hard to comprehend that God actually cares about our emotions. We may have been discipled into a tradition or church culture where we learned God expects us to be happy all the time or he only cares about our circumstances not … Continue reading Episode 114 – A Word on Feelings

Oct 17

21 min 5 sec

Michaela O’Donnell is the Executive Director of the Max De Pree Center for Leadership at Fuller Theological Seminary. She also works with her husband, Daniel, in their company Long Winter Media. On the podcast today, we talked about her new book Make Work Matter and more generally about vocational formation. Michaela’s work and research the … Continue reading Episode 113 – Michaela O’Donnell

Oct 10

50 min 36 sec

Terry Wildman is the lead translator and project manager of the First Nations Version of the New Testament. In this conversation, Terry talks about the intersection of being Christian and Native and what that has meant for him as he has explored the two, personally and in community. Cultural context in worship has received pushback … Continue reading Episode 112 – Terry Wildman

Oct 3

1 hr 9 min

This conversation with Danté Stewart was almost a year in the making, but it was well worth the wait! Danté’s first book, a memoir, comes out on October 12 and it is a gift! Shoutin’ in the Fire: An American Epistle tells the story of a faith journey that has become all too familiar in … Continue reading Episode 111 – Danté Stewart

Sep 27

1 hr 1 min

Drew Jackson is a pastor in NYC, the president of Pax, and author of God Speaks Through Wombs: Poems on God’s Unexpected Coming. This book is a beautiful journey through the first eight chapters of the Gospel of Luke in poetic form. Drew captures the humanity of Jesus in these pages: his marginalization, his incarnation, … Continue reading Episode 110 – Drew Jackson

Sep 19

1 hr 6 min

Get ready for round 2 with Dominique Gilliard! You might remember, Dominique was on the podcast just a couple of months ago talking about his first book, Rethinking Incarceration. That award-winning title came out in 2018 and now he brings us his newest project, Subversive Witness: Scripture’s Call to Leverage Privilege. This book is all … Continue reading Episode 109 – Dominique Gilliard

Sep 13

1 hr 12 min

Dr. Vince Bantu is an associate professor at Fuller Seminary (whoop!) and the director at Meachum School of Haymanot. Vince’s areas of missiological interest and academic research focus on Christianity as a global religion. Not in the sense, as some scholars proclaim, that Christianity is becoming a global religion, but rooted in the fact that … Continue reading Episode 108 – Vince Bantu

Sep 5

51 min 35 sec

These last few weeks have been hard in the world. Catching up on international and local news reveals heartache at almost every turn. I’m praying as Jesus taught his disciples, asking for his kingdom to come and reign on this earth, but it’s hard to miss that things are not as they should be. So … Continue reading Episode 107 – A Word on Lament

Aug 30

20 min

Mandy Smith is a pastor, speaker, and author and her latest book, Unfettered, nearly wrecked me (in the best possible way!). In the book and our conversation, Mandy unpacks the baggage of Western culture and how it is impacting our faith. Mandy’s journey in this season began with a sabbatical, observing a flock of geese, … Continue reading Episode 106 – Mandy Smith

Aug 23

57 min 39 sec

Casey Church is the pastor of Good Medicine Way in Albuquerque, NM. He has been in ministry for three decades as a Native American encouraging a contextualized way of worship. In his personal history, he has had painful experiences of being reprimanded and shunned for expressing his love for God in ways familiar to his … Continue reading Episode 105 – Casey Church

Aug 15

1 hr

Mark Scandrette is an author, pastor, theologian, and gifted teacher. During this conversation, we talk about his newest book, The Ninefold Path of Jesus: Hidden Wisdom of the Beatitudes. When we read the “blessed are the….” in the Beatitudes it can sometimes feel overwhelming. We ask ourselves how we can do or be all of … Continue reading Episode 104 – Mark Scandrette

Aug 8

55 min 5 sec

Dr. Kelly Flanagan, author, psychologist, speaker, and consultant, joined me for this episode of the podcast. The subject of our conversation is companionship in the context of philia, the kind of love that walks alongside others through the good and the gritty parts of life. His new book, True Companions, highlights this journey in ways … Continue reading Episode 103 – Dr. Kelly Flanagan

Aug 1

1 hr

Dr. Elsie Tshimunyi McKee, retired professor of Reformed Studies at Princeton Theological Seminary, joins me on the podcast today. She has co-written a lovely book with her friend Monique Misenga Ngoie Mukuna, whom you’ll hear us refer to as Maman Monique during the course of our conversation. Both ladies grew up in the Democratic Republic … Continue reading Episode 102 – Elsie Tshimunyi McKee

Jul 25

58 min 9 sec

“We are a nation that has become addicted to incarceration.” Dominique Gilliard is an author, speaker, teacher, and the Director of Racial Righteousness and Reconciliation for the Love Mercy Do Justice initiative of the Evangelical Covenant Church. His first book, Rethinking Incarceration: Advocating for Justice that Restores was the topic of our conversation today. The … Continue reading Episode 101 – Dominique Dubois Gilliard

Jul 18

1 hr 3 min

Sho Baraka is the guest for episode 100 of the podcast! If, by chance, you don’t know Sho I can’t wait for you to meet him in this conversation! Sho is a recording artist, writer, activist, and educator. In his new book, He Saw That It Was Good, he challenges each of us to do … Continue reading Episode 100 – Sho Baraka

Jul 11

1 hr 10 min

Kat Armas, author of Abuelita Faith: What Women on the Margins Teach Us about Wisdom, Persistence, and Strength, is on the podcast this week! Kat is a Fuller grad, on her way to Vanderbilt Divinity School, and is a wrestler in the faith. In her book, Kat introduces us to her grandmother and other women … Continue reading Episode 099 – Kat Armas

Jul 4

55 min 19 sec

Taylor Schumann is a survivor of gun violence and author of the book When Thoughts and Prayers Aren’t Enough: A Shooting Survivor’s Journey into the Realities of Gun Violence. Like many of us in the United States, Taylor grew up seeing gun ownership as an un-problematic part of American culture. In the church, some celebrate … Continue reading Episode 098 – Taylor Schumann

Jun 28

59 min 3 sec

As Christians, what responsibility do we have if we know a crime has been committed? Specifically, what about a theft? Authors and pastors Duke Kwon and Gregory Thompson address those questions in their new book, Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair. Pastor Kwon joined me for this episode of the podcast to talk … Continue reading Episode 097 – Duke Kwon

Jun 20

1 hr 1 min

Dr. Michelle Ami Reyes is an author, church-planter, and the co-founder and Vice President of the Asian American Christian Collaborative. Her new book, Becoming All Things: How Small Changes Lead to Lasting Connections Across Cultures is a rich, beautiful resource for Christians navigating multi-cultural spaces and relationships (which is all of us!). Follow along and … Continue reading Episode 096 – Michelle Reyes

Jun 14

52 min 47 sec

Kitti Murray is the founder and CEO of Refuge Coffee Co. in Clarkston, GA, which has been dubbed the most diverse square mile in America. With more than 50% of the population in this suburb of Atlanta being foreign born, Kitti and her husband found themselves intentionally among people who were very different from themselves … Continue reading Episode 095 – Kitti Murray

Jun 6

1 hr 6 min

Raymond Chang is the co-founder and president of the Asian American Christian Collaborative (AACC). Following the shootings in Atlanta, GA in the spring of 2021 and in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic in 2020, the AACC issued statements regarding racism targeted towards Asian Americans. Each of the statements received thousands of signatures of support … Continue reading Episode 094 – Raymond Chang

May 30

55 min 6 sec

Osheta Moore is a pastor and peacemaker bent on demolishing the hold white supremacy has had on God’s children. Her brand new book Dear White Peacemakers: Dismantling Racism With Grit and Grace is the book I would hand to so many of my White friends contemplating how they can move forward in their journeys of … Continue reading Episode 093 – Osheta Moore

May 23

1 hr 5 min

For this episode, I had the chance to interview my professor, Dr. Matthew Kaemingk. Matt teaches classes on faith and public life, including the areas of politics and the workplace. A few years ago, Matt wrote an article on Christian political hospitality viewed through the lens of Holy Week. At the heart of the issue … Continue reading Episode 092 – Matthew Kaemingk

May 16

50 min 42 sec

Andrew Krinks has a particular academic interest in topics surrounding the intersection of race, religion, and criminalization. Since completing his PhD at Vanderbilt, he is teaching and working on a project concerning how Covid-19 has effected individuals imprisoned in New Jersey. The essay we drew from for today’s conversation is one Andrew wrote for a … Continue reading Episode 091 – Andrew Krinks

May 10

1 hr 6 min

Terence Lester is the founder of Love Beyond Walls, a non-profit based in Atlanta serving people experiencing homelessness. At the beginning of the coronavirus spread early in 2020, the work Terence and his organization had been doing pivoted to meet the changing needs of the people they served. Since handwashing was high on the list … Continue reading Episode 090 – Terence Lester

May 2

48 min 15 sec

Lynda MacGibbon traded her small town farm house and community for a high-rise on the other side of the continent and with the move took on a challenge. What would it look like for her to intentionally live out the commandment of Jesus to love her neighbors? Not just the people she came into contact … Continue reading Episode 089 – Lynda MacGibbon

Apr 26

1 hr 6 min

When I think of social media, peacemaking isn’t the first thing that comes to my mind. But as Christians, we need to remember our witness matters, even and maybe especially, online. Dr. Douglas Bursch has written a thoughtful new book on social media and how it’s forming us. Posting Peace: Why Social Media Divides Us … Continue reading Episode 088 – Douglas Bursch

Apr 18

56 min 4 sec

Phil Armstrong is the Program Director for the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre Centennial Commission. As a native Oklahoman I was shocked when, in my mid-30’s, I first heard about the events in the Greenwood District of Tulsa for the first time. In this last year in our country race relations have been brought to the … Continue reading Episode 087 – Phil Armstrong

Apr 11

1 hr 6 min

Jeff Bilbro is an English professor and author of the book Reading the Times: A Literary and Theological Inquiry Into the News releasing in May 2021. We all want to be better consumers of the news, but as Jeff puts it, “belonging well precedes thinking well.” Reading and responding to the news are communal acts, … Continue reading Episode 086 – Jeffrey Bilbro

Apr 4

45 min 33 sec

Bethany Dearborn Hiser is a social worker who knows a little about feeling burned out. She, like many people in helping professions, was so consumed caring for others she neglected to care for herself. Her wake up call came in a session with a client and that began a transforming journey. Bethany captured much of … Continue reading Episode 085 – Bethany Dearborn Hiser

Mar 28

57 min 8 sec

Lindsey Krinks is the Co-Founder and Director of Education and Advocacy at Open Table Nashville. Her new book, Praying With Our Feet: Pursuing Justice and Healing On the Streets, recounts her journey from college student to interfaith street chaplain. In her journey, Lindsey has not shied away from asking the tough questions about faith, homelessness, … Continue reading Episode 084 – Lindsey Krinks

Mar 21

56 min 14 sec

Tish Harrison Warren is a priest in the Anglican Church in North America. Her most recent book, Prayer in the Night: For Those Who Work or Watch or Weep, I recently finished literally in the dark, mostly by candle and flashlight, in the midst of the Texas blackout and freeze. Tish tackles the theological concept … Continue reading Episode 083 – Tish Harrison Warren

Mar 14

1 hr 11 min

The Rev. Dr. Shannon Polk is an attorney, teacher, pastor, speaker, and the Executive Director of The Witness Foundation. In this conversation we tackle the topic of philanthropic redlining. Similar to the real estate phenomenon that bars people of color from purchasing homes in certain neighborhoods, charitable giving has also been effected by the practice … Continue reading Episode 082 – Shannon Polk

Mar 7

1 hr 2 min

A.D. “Lumkile” Thomason has a vast resume. He is a husband, father, holds a doctorate, studied fashion, spoken word artist, filmmaker, former pastor and basketball player. His new book is out called Permission to Be Black: My Journey with Jay-Z and Jesus and it is deep. Throughout his life, A.D. never really processed the trauma … Continue reading Episode 081 – A.D. Thomason

Feb 28

1 hr 5 min

Lamar Hardwick, aka The Autism Pastor, is the lead pastor of a congregation in the Atlanta, GA area. At the age of 36, after years of struggling with symptoms, Lamar was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder. His new book, Disability and the Church: A Vision for Diversity and Inclusion, is a call to the church … Continue reading Episode 080 – Lamar Hardwick

Feb 21

59 min 44 sec

Dan Kimball is one of the founders of Vintage Faith Church in Santa Cruz, CA. He is also the author of his newest book, How (Not) to Read the Bible: Making Sense of the Anti-Women, Anti-Science, Pro-Violence, Pro-Slavery & Other Crazy-Sounding Parts of Scripture. Even the subtitle covers a lot, but the birth of the … Continue reading Episode 079 – Dan Kimball

Feb 15

1 hr 17 min

Tara Beth Leach is a pastor at Christ Church of Oak Brook in the Chicago area. She and her family recently moved back home following a time of her pastoring in Pasadena, CA at First Church of the Nazarene, a.k.a. PazNaz. As a pastor in white evangelical spaces, Tara Beth has been able to capture … Continue reading Episode 078 – Tara Beth Leach

Feb 7

47 min 56 sec

Lisa Sharon Harper is an author, speaker, activist, and founder of Freedom Road. She has written a beautiful book called The Very Good Gospel: How Everything Wrong Can Be Made Right which was the basis of our conversation in this episode. We talk about the importance of relationship and narrative and having a “thick” understanding … Continue reading Episode 077 – Lisa Sharon Harper

Jan 31

50 min 9 sec

Jemar Tisby, the New York Times bestselling author of The Color of Compromise, is back on the podcast with an incredible conversation about his new book, How To Fight Racism: Courageous Christianity and the Journey Toward Racial Justice. We recorded this episode on January 12, 2021, less than one week after the insurrection at the … Continue reading Episode 076 – Jemar Tisby

Jan 24

59 min 8 sec

This episode was recorded in late December 2020, before the attacks on the Capitol on January 6, 2021. Here’s my confession, I was just trying to keep up with my guest Rasool Berry on this episode (this is going to be a double-listen for me)! At the time of this recording, Rasool had just come … Continue reading Episode 075 – Rasool Berry

Jan 17

1 hr 36 min

*This episode was recorded January 8, 2021.* Rondell Treviño is the founder and director of an incredible organization called The Immigration Coalition. Rondell and his team provide clean drinking water to communities along the Mexico-U.S. border as well as educational resources for churches and pastors about immigration in America. Listen to the end of the … Continue reading Episode 074 – Rondell Treviño

Jan 10

1 hr 23 min

Chandra Crane is the author of a book that was very personal read for me, Mixed Blessing: Embracing the Fullness of Your Multiethnic Identity, published by InterVarsity Press with an incredible foreword by Jemar Tisby. Chandra, who is on staff with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, is ethnically mixed. She is white American and Thai and was … Continue reading Episode 073 – Chandra Crane

Jan 3

1 hr 5 min

This episode with Amy Crouch and her dad, Andy Crouch, is truly one for the whole family. We talked about their new book My Tech-Wise Life: Growing Up and Making Choices in a World of Devices and how our relationship with technology is reflective of so many other parts of our lives. Our conversation hit … Continue reading Episode 072 – Amy Crouch & Andy Crouch

Dec 2020

49 min 25 sec

As I reflect on Christmas, especially in 2020, I’m reminded that we live in a time of now and not yet. When John the Baptist came crying as a voice in the wilderness announcing the Kingdom of Heaven is here, he also had to live in the reality that the Kingdom of Heaven is not … Continue reading Episode 071 – Alexis Busetti

Dec 2020

14 min 35 sec

Holly Christine Hayes is the founder and CEO of Sanctuary Project. The jewelry her company makes and sells is beautiful and so is its mission and Holly’s story. It is all about redemption and rescue, healing and hope! Holly once lived a life of addiction where she suffered violence and was trafficked. Then, in the … Continue reading Episode 070 – Holly Christine Hayes

Dec 2020

55 min 5 sec