Lab Out Loud

Dale Basler and Brian Bartel

Lab Out Loud is a podcast, hosted by two science teachers, that discusses science news and science education by interviewing leading scientists, researchers, science writers and other important figures in the field.

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Laurie Wallmark returns to the Lab Out Loud podcast to share two new stories celebrating women in STEM: Code Breaker, Spy Hunter about Elizabeth Friedman and Numbers in Motion about Sophie Kowalevski. Laurie joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to share these fascinating stories while discussing the role of STEM in schools and the importance of exposing all kids to STEM learning opportunities. About the Guest Laurie Wallmark is a computer science teacher and award-winning children’s author featuring picture book biographies that recognize women in STEM. Her breakout book Ada Byron Lovelace and the Thinking Machine (Creston Books) debuted in 2017 and was readily recognized with numerous awards. Show notes at:

Nov 29

27 min 58 sec

Sometimes surprising discoveries happen when scientists aren't looking for them. While analyzing biological samples from California Condors as part of a conservation effort, a team at San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance discovered an unusual phenomenon: two condors born in captivity that contained only maternal DNA. This startling observation confirmed a rare event known as facultative parthenogenesis - a form of asexual reproduction in females that typically reproduce sexually. From that team, Dr. Oliver Ryder joins the Lab Out Loud podcast to discuss his work in conservation biology, how his team made this discovery, and what implications it might have for the endangered California Condor and other species. About Our Guest Dr. Oliver Ryder, Ph.D., is the Kleberg Endowed Director of Conservation Genetics at the San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance, where he oversees research activities in the areas of molecular genetics, genomic studies, and genetic rescue efforts, including stem cell applications – all focused on reducing extinction risk and contributing to species recovery and sustainable populations. Show notes at:

Nov 15

38 min 16 sec

The Teacher Institute for Evolutionary Science (TIES) was founded to provide teachers with content and engaging resources to teach evolution in an effective and respectful way. Now with downloadable units that meet every state’s evolution standards, TIES offers formidable resources for teaching evolution online. TIES Director Bertha Vazquez joins us to discuss how science teachers can access their powerful resources, tap into their training, and use their support to address critics of evolution. About Our Guest - Bertha Vazquez is a middle school science teacher in Miami-Dade County, and is the founder and director of the Teacher Institute for Evolutionary Science.

Nov 1

36 min 28 sec

To answer their questions about pumpkins, the Lab Out Loud podcast connects with a pumpkin expert. From the University of Rhode Island, Dr. Rebecca Brown joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about growing pumpkins, the surprising results of pumpkin breeding, and the pumpkin industry in the United States. About The Guest: Rebecca Brown is an assistant professor at the University of Rhode Island in the Department of Plant Sciences and Entomology, where she conducts research in the areas of sustainable vegetable production and laser scarecrows. Show notes at:

Oct 18

47 min 9 sec

Can all games provide learning activities? Is there a connection between scientific models and games? How can educators evaluate games and simulators as learning tools in the classroom? David Gagnon joins the Lab Out Loud podcast to discuss designing and evaluating games for learning, and describes how his team integrates learning theory to create meaningful games that make personal connections to students. About Our Guest David Gagnon is the Director of a game studio and research lab at the University of Wisconsin called Field Day. Show notes at:

Oct 4

36 min 32 sec

As schools transitioned to online learning in 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic, Skype a Scientist saw a increased demand for their service. Boasting a database of thousands of scientists, SKYPE a Scientist uses readily available video chat tools to connect scientists to teachers, students and other groups around the world. Founder and Executive Director Sarah McAnulty joins the Lab Out Loud podcast to talk about Skype a Scientist and its increased programming, how the resource grew during the pandemic, and it fills a growing need to connect students and teachers with scientific experts. About The Guest Sarah McAnulty is an American squid biologist who earned her bachelor's degree in marine science at Boston University in 2011 and got her PhD from the department of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of Connecticut, graduating in 2019. She is the founder and executive director of Skype a Scientist, a non-profit organization that connects scientists and teachers around the world. Show notes at:

Sep 20

36 min 57 sec

Erika Shugart joins the Lab Out Loud podcast for their 250th episode to discuss her role as NSTA Executive Director, share how the association can provide professional development and networking opportunities in a face to face world with digital demands, and explain her vision to provide equity and evidence in science education. Show notes at:

Sep 6

24 min 27 sec

What happens when scientists abandon ethical standards in the pursuit of science? Can we trust scientific discoveries learned with fraudulent practices? To answer some of these questions and more, science writer Sam Kean joins The Lab Out Loud podcast to share from his new book, The Icepick Surgeon: Murder, Fraud, Sabotage, Piracy, and Other Dastardly Deeds Perpetrated in the Name of Science. Listen to the show to hear Sam explain how he uses storytelling as a means to engage the listener in science while reminding us of the importance in following ethical considerations while executing science practices. Show notes at:

Aug 23

32 min 3 sec

To close out season 14, the Lab Out Loud podcast reflects on experiences educating and learning through a pandemic. Co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler also re-connect with Fred Ende and his kids as they share their experiences learning science and communicating with others over the last year. Show notes:

Jun 7

51 min 54 sec

In the latest installment of their Scientist Out Loud series, Dr. Terry McGlynn joins the Lab Out Loud podcast to discuss his research with ants and other insects found in tropical rainforests. Since 1995, Terry has been working out of La Selva Biological Station in Costa Rica studying ants as a model system. Instead of the boring ants we might find in North America, these tropical species are far more interesting and can teach us a lot about social interactions, organizing behaviors, and balancing ecosystems. Terry joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to answer all of their ant questions, describe his path to become a myremocologist, and explain why we should care about ants in the world around us. About the Guest: Dr. Terry McGlynn is a Professor of Biology at Cal State Dominguez Hills and a Research Associate at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County. His research program focuses on the experimental natural history of ants. Show notes at:

May 24

41 min 26 sec

In an attempt to help students make visible connections between science and sound, Dr. Victor Minces and his team have created Listening to Waves - a suite of online tools that allow students to easily view, manipulate and generate sound. Sponsored by the National Science Foundation, Listening to Waves freely provides an online oscilloscope, signal generator, and spectrogram. Dr. Minces joins the Lab Out Loud podcast to share his appreciation of science and sound, explain how students can have fun exploring and playing with sound using his online tools, and describe how these tools have been helpful for learning science at home during the pandemic. About the Guest: Working as a research scientist in the department of Cognitive Science at UC San Diego, Dr. Victor Minces has a background in physics, neuroscience, and the cognitive science of music. He is crazy about sound and is also an aspiring sound artist. Part of his intention with Listening to Waves is to spread that love. Show notes at:

May 10

45 min 6 sec

With a shift to online learning during the pandemic, students have relied on watching and creating more videos. But how has that impacted science education? To help answer that question, the Lab Out Loud Podcast invites Rhett Allain back to the show. Rhett shares some tips and suggestions for online learning - especially dealing with online math. Spoiler alert! He suggests that students make a video to showcase their learning. Rhett also describes his work as technical advisor at McGyver, then takes some time to geek out with co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler about science that is portrayed (or ignored) in pop culture. About the Guest: An Associate Professor of physics at Southeastern Louisiana University, Rhett is also a physics blogger for Wired and Medium, creates videos for YouTube and serves as the technical consultant for the TV show McGyver. Show notes:

Apr 26

56 min 28 sec

As schooling has expanded into our homes during the pandemic, it's no surprise that online resources geared towards learning at home have been extremely valuable. That's why Lab Out Loud's exploration into science at home connects them with Ben Finio and Svenja Lohner, both senior staff scientists at Science Buddies. With an emphasis on providing kid-friendly, bite-sized STEM learning activities for students to do at home, Science Buddies also offers a robust array of resources like science news, interactive simulations, NGSS-aligned lesson plans, and the powerful Topic Selection Wizard - a personalized science interest quiz designed to help students find a project that fits their own interests. Listen to the podcast, then visit Science Buddies to find your next science activity, no matter where your classroom is located!   Show notes at:

Apr 12

32 min 45 sec

Lab Out Loud's exploration into distance learning takes on new meaning this week, as they discover what's next from the Perseverance rover that recently landed on Mars. To guide them in the conversation, co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler welcome Brandon Rodriguez to the show. A chemist by training, Brandon teaches high school chemistry and physics while working as an Education Specialist with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory where he provides resources and training for K-12 schools. Brandon joins Lab Out Loud to remind us of the impossible task of landing a rover on Mars, shares what we can expect to learn from the Perseverance mission, and provides a little advice for students interested in working for NASA and other STEM fields. Show notes at:

Mar 22

49 min 46 sec

Igniting Science Curiosity Across Africa As the Lab Out Loud Podcast continues to explore how science education has adapted during the pandemic, a new science TV show out of Africa caught their eye. In part created to accommodate learning at home through broadcast television, N*Gen has grown into a Pan-African TV show that encourages science across borders and allows African children to see themselves as scientists. With a STEM focus, episodes include engaging animations, hands-on experiments, tips for healthy living and clips from teachers across the continent. To learn more about N*Gen and how it's made, co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale welcome Irene Nyangoma (a teacher in Uganda, writer and main host), Joy Kiano (a teacher in Kenya and science writer), and Gosia Lukomska (producer) to the show. Listen now, then watch N*Gen on the Africa Channel or on YouTube! Show notes at:

Mar 8

52 min 59 sec

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast talks with Mallory Wills, a biology and earth science teacher at George Washington High School in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. In August 2020, Cedar Rapids and other parts of the Midwest were slammed by a derecho - an intense storm with straight line winds that damaged every school in the Cedar Rapids system. In the wake of the devastation, Mallory applied for a SSP (Science for Society and the Public) STEM Research Grant, hoping that the grant would provide much needed funding to help start a research club. Adapted for online learning, the award of $1000 provided take home STEM kits that helped Mallory provide hands-on learning opportunities in an online learning environment. Mallory joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to describe the damage inflicted by the derecho in her district, how she has been using the SSP award to help her students conduct research in an online learning environment, and to remind us of the resilience, unanticipated benefits and the hope that can shine through tragedy. Show notes at:

Feb 22

29 min 2 sec

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast talks with India Carlson, a botany and environmental horticulture teacher at Ballard High School in Seattle, Washington. In a typical year, India's students spend a significant portion of time working in the school garden and greenhouse. Faced with the unique challenges of learning science at home this year, India decided to clone a plant for every one of her students to use at home for learning, experimentation, and even finding joy. India joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about the logistics of sending plants home, the unexpected benefits of the program, and how this experience has prompted her students to appreciate more of the environment around them. Show notes at:

Feb 8

31 min 9 sec

Lab Out Loud's guest this week is Dr. Steffania Kapsetaki, a postdoctoral research fellow at Arizona State University at the Arizona Cancer & Evolution Center. Joining Lab Out Loud from Greece where she is working remotely during the pandemic, Dr. Kapsetaki is studying chimerism across the tree of life and its potential impact in triggering cancer. Representing a relatively new field of research in life science, chimerism occurs when organisms contain cells from other organisms. Dr. Kapsetaki joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about her research, how she is able to continue her work through the pandemic, and how discoveries in chimerism might impact our health and understanding of life science. Show notes at:

Jan 18

46 min 59 sec

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast explores Meet The Lab, a new educational resource from PBS Wisconsin Education designed for middle school science classrooms. Similar to their #ScientistOutLoud series, Meet the Lab introduces students to real world issues, scientific practices and concepts, and also to the people that work together to research and solve problems using science. To guide them through this new resource, co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler are joined by Megan Monday, Executive Producer at PBS Wisconsin in the Education Department and Travis Tangen, Education and Outreach Manager at the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation (WARF). Listen to the show to learn more about Meet the Lab, its focus on connecting students to real life researchers and why their work matters, and how the project can help students develop their own STEAM identities. Show notes at:

Jan 4

23 min 23 sec

The guest for the Lab Out Loud podcast this week is Dr. Rachel Hale. As a self-proclaimed invertebrate advocate, Rachel's personal interests in worms and other invertebrates have grown into a career as a marine biologist. Working for the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research in New Zealand, part of her work includes research voyages where Rachel is able to study the biodiversity of invertebrates living around the sediment at the seafloor. Dr. Hale joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about her research voyages and the challenges of conducting field research during the pandemic, describe some of her amazing invertebrate discoveries, and discuss the connection of her work to climate change research. Show notes at:

Dec 2020

31 min 56 sec

To conclude their segment on video in science education, The Lab Out Loud podcast is joined this week by filmmakers Clayton Brown and Monica Long from 137 Films. This Chicago-based documentary production company promotes science through storytelling by exploring how its search for answers impacts our cultural, political, and personal lives. Directed by Clayton and Monica, We Believe in Dinosaurs follows the building of the Ark Encounter in Northern Kentucky to its opening day. By focusing on the human aspect of the story, the documentary allows the viewer to understand the challenge that mainstream scientists and teachers face as they try to educate America on the bedrock of the biological sciences: evolution. Clayton and Monica join co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about We Believe in Dinosaurs, what they learned about America's relationship with science while making it, and how the documentary can help science educators better understand the students coming into their classrooms. Show notes at:

Dec 2020

1 hr 4 min

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes Jared Lipworth to the show. As Executive Producer and head of Outreach and Impact at HHMI Tangled Bank Studios, Jared oversees the production of documentaries in addition to the outreach and impact campaigns built around them. Recent NSTA Conference attendees will recognize HHMI's "Night at the Movies" hosted at the annual Conference. Without a physical conference to attend, Lab Out Loud wanted to help share some of the media produced by the studio that harness the power of storytelling to inspire interest in science. Jared joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about the mission of Tangled Bank Studios, describes the kinds of stories they create and even shares a little advice to teachers and students making their own visual stories. Listen to the show to hear titles of shows that you can share with your students in the classroom or at home! Show notes at:

Nov 2020

33 min 50 sec

As the Lab Out Loud podcast continues to explore the use of video in science education, they turn their attention to the use and creation of short format films. To guide them through that discussion, they are joined by Douglas Dicconson from Theorem Studios and Kim Birbrower from Big Picture Educational Consulting. Theorem Studios and Big Picture Educational Consulting recently paired up to create content for Chemistry Shorts, a project sponsored by the Camille and Henry Dreyfus Foundation to communicate the breadth & depth of chemistry’s impact on humankind. Doug and Kim join co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss their work with Chemistry Shorts, the appropriate use of video in the science classroom, and the art and work of making compelling short format films. Show notes at:

Nov 2020

38 min 33 sec

Continuing their exploration into science documentaries, the Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes environmental photographer James Balog to the show. For almost four decades, Balog has been building a visual time capsule documenting the complicated and intimate relationship between humanity and nature. In The Human Element, Balog exposes this relationship with vivid and often uncomfortable imagery that illustrates unmistakable human impacts on the essential elements of water, air, fire and earth. Balog joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about making the documentary, shares how he delicately balances the portrayal of hope and despair in his visual stories, and discusses his upcoming book with the same name. Show notes at:

Oct 2020

39 min 51 sec

The guest for the Lab Out Loud podcast this week is director, writer and producer Scott Hamilton Kennedy. At the 2019 NSTA Conference in St. Louis, Kennedy hosted a screening of his recent documentary "Food Evolution" (2016). Narrated by Neil deGrasse Tyson, "Food Evolution" investigates GMOs to showcase how misinformation and fear can drown out rational evidence and divide communities. Kennedy joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss the process of making science documentaries, how he works to understand and portray the science correctly, and describes an upcoming project on vaccines. Show notes at:

Oct 2020

28 min 23 sec

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast talks with Dave Bakker, co-founder and COO of PocketLab. In March, Dave and some of his colleagues were looking for a way to provide professional development to STEM teachers while #COVID-19 kept many of them at home. The result was a virtual conference called ScIC (Science is Cool) that has attracted tens of thousands of science teachers and education professionals from around the world. Dave joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss the origins of ScIC, celebrate the success of the first three conferences, and share some of their upcoming events. Show notes at:

Sep 2020

42 min 20 sec

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast features GIS Specialist and author Tyler Danielson. As part of his work with civil engineering firm Bolton & Menk, Tyler has recently written a book geared towards children to help them understand GIS in the world around them. In "Lindsey the GIS Specialist - A GIS Mapping Story," the title character Lindsey helps to explain what GIS is, describe what data she might collect, and how she could use that data to create digital maps. Listen to the show to hear more about the free eBook, how it might be used in STEAM learning, and how to access other free STEAM books in the series from Bolton & Menk. Show notes at:

Sep 2020

34 min 59 sec

As some schools are returning to in-person learning this fall, science teachers will need to address virus mitigation both in the traditional classroom and in lab environments. To discuss safety considerations while teaching science in the pandemic, the Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes Dr. Ken Roy back to the show. With health and safety always as the priority, Ken joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss important safety aspects such as checking for clean water pipes and functioning gas lines, using and cleaning safety goggles, when to use classroom and lab ventilation, and addressing safety for at-home investigations. Show notes at:

Aug 2020

45 min

To wrap up season 13, the Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes Ainissa Ramirez back to the show. As science teachers are building their reading lists for the summer, they may want to check out Ainissa's new book - The Alchemy of Us: How Humans and Matter Transformed One Another. In this collection of stories about eight inventions (from clocks to silicon chips), Ramirez unearths vivid stories that showcase how humans have created inventions, and in turn, how those inventions have shaped us. Ainissa joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss her new book, share some insights into her research and writing style, and challenge all of us to question if new inventions are pointing us in the direction we want the world to be heading. Show notes at:

Jun 2020

33 min 34 sec

Lab Out Loud's guest this week is Kris Brown from the Office of STEM Engagement at NASA. As a NASA engineer, Kris used to work with critical hardware used on numerous shuttle missions. Now, as Deputy Associate Administrator for NASA's Office of STEM Engagement, Kris works towards creating unique opportunities for students and the public to contribute to NASA’s work in exploration and discovery, and to building a diverse future STEM workforce by engaging students in authentic learning experiences with NASA’s people, content and facilities. Kris joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about these opportunities and resources, the importance of the upcoming partner launch with SpaceX on May 27, and shares specific activities NASA has to engage students and their families around that mission. Show notes at:

May 2020

24 min 59 sec

The Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes Dr. Alex Evans to the show. From a young age, Alex developed a love for science that eventually led to a career as a research scientist in animal physiology, focusing on measuring the energetics of animals in flight. Changing gears to science communication, Alex now works as a science educator, presenter, and writer. Joining co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler, Alex discusses his love of parrot Twitter accounts, describes what we can learn from bird energetics that can be applied to real world problems (and mythical creatures), and encourages young scientists to get out and find new information about the world around them. #ScientistOutLoud Lab Out Loud found Alex (and many other scientists) on #sciencetwitter. Throughout season 13, the podcast will be showcasing some of these scientists and their work. Show notes at:

May 2020

32 min 22 sec

The Lab Out Loud podcast guest this week is Dawn Fallik, reporter and associate professor at the University of Delaware. As a medical reporter, Dawn writes about loneliness and the medical consequences of loneliness in Millennials and Gen Z. At SXSWedu, Dawn recently presented as part of a panel about Generation Lonely: 10,000 Followers and No Friends, discussing what's behind increasing feelings of social isolation and loneliness. Dawn joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about the difference between loneliness and social isolation, how Millennials and Gen Z might be better equipped to communicate and function during the COVID-19 stay at home orders, and how teachers might look out for and help students combat loneliness. Show notes at:

Apr 2020

1 hr 5 min

Lab Out Loud's guest this week is Joanne O'Meara, a physics professor from the University of Guelph. In an effort to help educators right now, the Guelph physics department is creating videos to answer user generated science questions. Called AMASE (Ask Me Anything: Science Edition), these videos have been tackling concepts such as the speed of light, rainbows, and Schrodinger's Cat. Joanne joins the Lab Out Loud podcast to discuss the AMASE project, how she (and her daughters) made the first video on the speed of light, and share her experiences in teaching and parenting during the pandemic. Show notes:

Apr 2020

33 min 19 sec

As our students continue their science instruction online and at home, we wanted to take some time to share some free resources from NSTA and beyond. We also get a chance to talk to  Fred Ende's kids - referred to as "6" and "9" - as they share their experiences in science education and connecting with people online. Show notes at:

Mar 2020

30 min 47 sec

Joining the Lab Out Loud podcast this week is Dr. Cassandra Raby, a research fellow at Leeds University Business School looking at diversity and inclusion in the workplace. Dr. Raby recently finishing her Ph.D. studying behavior and disease transmission in Namibian wild baboons, where she reflects: "a lot of my research involves poo". Cass joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss collecting (and transporting) poo, what we can learn from studying disease transmission and social behavior in baboons, and how her experience with field research has helped her succeed in her current research. #ScientistOutLoud Lab Out Koud found Cass (and many other scientists) on #sciencetwitter. Throughout season 13, the podcast will be showcasing some of these scientists and their work. Show notes at:

Mar 2020

32 min 54 sec

This week, the Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes Dr. J. Bryan Henderson to the show. As an assistant professor at Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College at Arizona State University, part of Bryan’s research is geared towards using the science of learning to design physical and digital environments that encourage student interaction in evidence-based argumentation. This research has helped him to develop Braincandy, a suite of free, online formative assessment tools that seeks to help students better listen to and build upon differing ideas. Bryan joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss evidence-based argumentation, how Braincandy can be used to facilitate this practice, and how we can critically reflect on and evaluate student use of technology on their screens, beneath their screens and beyond their screens. Dr. J. Bryan Henderson's research is geared towards using the science of learning to design physical and digital environments that encourage student interaction in evidence-based argumentation. Show notes at:

Feb 2020

1 hr 3 min

Picking up from their conversation with Jamie Kubiak last year (episode 206: Affirming and Representing LGBTQIA+ Students in Science), the Lab Out Loud podcast connects with Lewis Maday-Travis (he/him/his) and Sam Long (he/him/his) to talk about the need for gender inclusivity in biology and other science classes. Lewis and Sam join co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss the importance of providing and affirming personal pronouns, offer strategies for gender inclusive practices and language in our classrooms, and provide some resources to guide us in these tasks. Show notes at:

Feb 2020

21 min 23 sec

Continuing their series on #ScientistOutLoud, the Lab Out Loud podcast welcomes Dr. Lauren Robinson to the show. As a postdoc at the University of Veterinary medicine in Vienna, Austria, Lauren studies cooperation and partner roles in canids - particularly North American Grey Wolves. Lauren joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss how she uses her background in psychology in her animal research, describes navigating through scientific research in another country, and shares a little about what we might learn from the social behavior of wolves. Show notes at:

Jan 2020

41 min 42 sec

Kicking off a new decade, Lab Out Loud is happy to welcome Joe Shane (Shippensburg University) and Lee Meadows (the University of Alabama at Birmingham) to the show. Joe and Lee (in addition to Ronald Hermann and Ian Binn) are co-authors of a new book from NSTA Press called Making Sense of Science and Religion: Strategies for the Classroom and Beyond. Written for teachers at all levels and also for informal science settings, Making Sense helps educators prepare for student questions about science and religion so they can confidently facilitate discussions while respecting student beliefs. Joe and Lee join us to talk about their new book, describe how they benefit from their attendance at professional conferences, and share some of their strategies for making sense of science and religion in science education. Show notes at:

Jan 2020

40 min 31 sec

Continuing their #ScientistOutLoud series, Lab Out Loud welcomes Susanna L. Harris to the show. As a Ph. D. candidate at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, Susanna studies how bacteria stick to plant roots. Susanna joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to describe her research, discuss how she got interested in science, and candidly share her path in graduate learning - including her successes and setbacks. Show notes at: #ScientistOutLoud Lab Out Loud found Susanna (and many other scientists) on #sciencetwitter. Throughout season 13, they will be showcasing some of these scientists and their work.

Dec 2019

39 min 27 sec

To answer some questions about Christmas trees, Lab Out Loud decided to connect with some experts. Tree farmers Neil Krueger (from Kreuger's Christmas Tree Farm) and Shawn Schottler (from St. Croix Valley Trees and the Science Museum of Minnesota) join co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss growing and maintaining Christmas Trees, the sustainability of the industry, and even how to keep your tree lasting longer. Make sure to listen to the end of the episode where Shawn proposes a question that science educators can ask their students! Record their answers and submit them to, and your students might be featured on a future show! Show notes at:

Dec 2019

47 min 20 sec

Returning for a second year, Lab Out Loud is happy to welcome Dr. Elizabeth Gajdzik and Dr. Tamara Moore back to the show to showcase the 2019 Engineering Gift Guide. Each year, Purdue’s INSPIRE Research Institute lab evaluates toys, games, and books that engage girls and boys in engineering thinking and design. Elizabeth and Tamara join co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about the selected gifts, how they are evaluated and what research is involved when selecting items that promote engineering practices ranging from coding and spatial reasoning to problem solving and critical thinking. Show notes at:

Nov 2019

46 min 8 sec

As a former science teacher and now professor of education at Stanford, Dr. Bryan A. Brown is keenly interested in improving science teaching and learning in urban communities by investigating how language and culture matter for effective science teaching. Some of this work is shared in his new book Science in the City, where Brown examines the interplay of language and culture in effective science teaching. Dr. Brown joins Lab Out Loud to discuss his new book, the power of using technology to adapt to the cultural background of our students, and the need for adjusting our science language that better serves students in inner-city contexts. Show notes at:

Nov 2019

33 min 45 sec

This week Lab Out Loud welcomes Katherine Hatcher to the show. As a fifth year Neuroscience PhD Candidate at University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, Katherine investigates circadian rhythms and how exposure to environmental factors alters behavior and physiology, particularly in midlife women. Katherine joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss her path into research, her day-to-day work as a scientist, and how we might apply research in her field to help live our lives better. #ScientistOutLoud Lab Out Loud found Katherine (and many other scientists) on #sciencetwitter. Throughout season 13, co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler will be showcasing some of these scientists and their work. Shownotes at:

Oct 2019

52 min 42 sec

This week Lab Out Loud welcomes Randall Munroe to the show. As creator of the webcomic XKCD, Munroe often features aspects of technology, math, computer science and physics in his drawings. These topics have also had prominence in his books, including his newest book called How To: Absurd Scientific Advice for Common Real-World Problems. To hear more about How To, Randall joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about how he started in his career, how he got Serena Williams to serve a tennis ball at a drone (for book research, of course), and how you might use XKCD comics to help teach science in your classroom. Show notes at:

Oct 2019

27 min 52 sec

This week Lab Out Loud welcomes glaciologist Mike MacFerrin to the show. As a researcher from the University of Colorado Boulder, Mike studies ice sheet meltwater feedback in Greenland. Recently, his team discovered that growing ice slabs in Greenland are accelerating meltwater runoff that is contributing to rising sea levels. Mike joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss his work as a glaciologist, explain the revelations and implications from his research, and even describe how climate change is unearthing a secret cold war base buried in Greenland ice. Show notes at:

Sep 2019

44 min 55 sec

As a science teacher at Curry College in Massachusetts, Abby Hafer is a staunch advocate of teaching peer-reviewed, scientifically accurate content in her college classes. In an effort to protect science education in the state, Hafer recently worked with legislator Kenneth Gordon to draft a bill that adds language to existing curriculum standards that seeks to limit science instruction in Massachusetts to age-appropriate, peer-reviewed scientific fact. In addition to combating academic freedom legislation recently passed in Tennessee (2012) and Louisiana (2008), Hafer hopes this bill will also provide model legislation that protects science education, science teachers and students of science across the nation. Hafer joins Lab Out Loud this week to discuss the bill and its potential impact, while describing how she worked with her legislator to impact science education through politics. Show notes at:

Sep 2019

18 min 55 sec

To kick off season 13, Lab Out Loud is proud to welcome NSTA President Dennis Schatz to the show. As senior advisor at Pacific Science Center and field editor for NSTA’s Connected Science Learning journal, Dennis has a lifetime of experience delivering science learning beyond the walls of the traditional science classroom. Dennis joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to discuss NSTA's name change that reflects a broader scope on science teaching, the importance of science learning in informal settings, and share some of his science passions with PacSci-Doku and #MondayNightScience. Show notes at:

Aug 2019

31 min 54 sec

As teachers prepare for the summer months ahead, Lab Out Loud welcomes Griff Jones back to the show to close out season 12. Working with Griff, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) has developed engaging, interactive resources found within their new IIHS in the Classroom website. Designed for grades 5-12, IIHS in the Classroom uses the results of highway safety research to help students explore the science behind what happens in a car crash — both to the car and to those inside it — and discover why some vehicles are safer than others. Griff joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to talk about the features of the new IIHS website, and discusses the perils of distracted driving and the need for crash avoidance technology. Show notes at:

Jun 2019

52 min 28 sec

An NPR poll recently discovered that most teachers don't teach climate change, yet parents wish they did. To find out more about these findings, Lab Out Loud invited NPR education correspondent Anya Kamenetz to the show. Anya joins co-hosts Brian Bartel and Dale Basler to explain why teachers might not teach climate change, provides a few resources for us to change that behavior, and also challenges parents to have these conversations at home. Show notes at:

May 2019

32 min 23 sec