Jensen and Holes: The Murder Squad

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Retired Cold Case Investigator Paul Holes and Investigative Journalist Billy Jensen dig deep into unsolved murders, unidentified remains and missing persons cases. Each week listeners ride shotgun as Holes and Jensen attempt to solve the crime using a variety of methods, from old-fashioned detective work to advanced technologies including famili

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Paul and Billy look into two separate missing person cases this week. The first, 16-year-old Lashaya Stine left her home in Aurora, Colorado on June 16, 2016 around 2 AM. Her mother believes she went out to meet someone but she never returned home. The second, 18-year-old Brookelyn Farthing went to a party in Berea, Kentucky. She was in contact with family and friends until the early morning hours of June 22, 2013 before texting "I'm scared."   See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Sep 21

51 min

Billy and Paul look into the unsolved cases of Mr. Cruel out of Melbourne, Australia in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s. The unknown offender attacked four young girls creating terror.  He wore a black ski mask and was usually armed with a knife and gun. Despite law enforcement knocking on over 30,000 doors, Mr. Cruel has never been caught. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Sep 14

56 min

Paul and Billy look into the 1970 murders of Colette MacDonald and her two young daughters in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Colette's husband--a surgeon and former Green Beret--Jeffrey MacDonald was eventually convicted of the murders but has always maintained his innocence. With the help of filmmaker and podcaster Marc Smerling from The Jinx and Morally Indefensible, the guys look into a case riddled with confessions and betrayal.   See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Sep 7

93 min

Billy and Paul look into the unsolved 2017 murder of Nanette Krentel out of Lacombe, Louisiana. The offender tried to cover up her murder with a fire that burnt down a 3,000 square foot home in rural Louisiana. It's a case with fingers pointed all around the community but still no justice has been seen.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Aug 31

68 min

Paul and Billy look into the case of serial killer Henry Louis Wallace. In the early 1990’s, a monster was prowling Charlotte, North Carolina. His targets were young, attractive black women. And his victims barely made the news until he went on a 48-hour killing spree. All of these victims were in his circle of friends and co-workers. He only confessed to those he knew could be tied to him. Which begs the question--how many other victims does he have? See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Aug 24

69 min

Paul and Billy delve into the 2006 unsolved murders of Chynna and Blake Dickus in Franklin, Indiana. About 25 miles from Indianapolis, in a new subdivision riddled with home break-ins, it is a double murder that haunts the community. A three and half hour window allowed someone to enter the Dickus home and kill a 10-year old boy and his stepmother.  Billy and Paul also look into the unsolved murder of Elizabeth Barraza in Tomball, Texas. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Aug 17

61 min

Paul and Billy look into the murder of Heidi Newman, a case Paul investigated while supervising the crime lab in 2003. It's a case that held similarities to a still unsolved murder six years prior. With the help of investigator Leonard Orman, the three delve into the 1997 unsolved murder of Linda Lincoln. Both women knew Matthew Kroll, the man in prison for Heidi's murder. And both Leonard and Paul think Kroll may have other victims.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Aug 10

64 min

In 1998, Rita Hester was murdered in her Boston apartment. Rita was active in the transgender community and her gruesome death inspired Transgender Remembrance Day—but her murderer is still out there. Paul and Billy investigate Rita’s case, and also shed light on the recent murders of Merci Mack, Shakie Peters, Brayla Stone, Bree Black, Draya McCarty, Remmie Fells and Riah Milton—seven transgender women found slain in June and July of 2020. So far, only two cases have led to an arrest. We need to change that. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Aug 3

49 min

Billy and Paul travel to 1891 New York City to investigate the unsolved murder of Carrie Brown. While often tied to Jack The Ripper, no conclusive evidence has linked the two and the case that caused a media storm remains unsolved. This new episode is in partnership with TNT's The Alienist: Angel of Darkness. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jul 26

51 min

This week Paul and Billy decide to look into cases that their friend Michelle McNamara, author of I'll Be Gone in the Dark, looked into on her blog True Crime Diary. They look at unsolved cases in Oregon and the link to potential serial killer Bobby Jack Fowler. Fowler was a violent offender with cases in Oregon, Iowa, Texas, Tennessee and Canada. And those are just the cases we know. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jul 20

57 min

This week Paul and Billy look into the mysterious death of Tamla Horsford. In November 2018, Tamla Horsford was the only black guest at an adult slumber party in Cumming, Georgia. By all accounts she was the life of the party. But in the early morning hours she was found dead outside. With the help of Tamla's family attorney Ralph E. Fernandez, Billy and Paul try to find out how a mother of five died that night.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jul 13

80 min

Last week, the body of Specialist Vanessa Guillen was found near a river. She was murdered. And she was not the only Fort Hood soldier to be killed since March.  In this episode, Billy and Paul will delve into the eight cases of unsolved homicides and unknown causes of death of soldiers from the base. And with the help of Murder Squad listeners, they take a closer look at how the US Army investigates sexual assault, sexual harassment and missing persons amidst their ranks—including the case of LaVena Johnson.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jul 6

46 min

This week Paul and Billy look into two missing persons cases. The first is a soldier who went missing while on post. Vanessa Guillen was last seen at Fort Hood in Texas on April 22nd. The second is a mail carrier last seen on camera leaving her home. Kierra Coles was last seen outside her home in the Chatam area of Chicago on October 2nd, 2018. Neither case is related. Each in a different part of the country and separated by over a year. But both cases still have families, friends and the community looking for the women. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jun 29

53 min

In Elizabeth Short: The Black Dahlia Part 2, Billy and Paul turn their focus on who may have been capable of committing such a gruesome crime. They look into the usual suspects: the men in Elizabeth's life before her murder, Hodel and Dillon. But after digging to find other crimes that mirrored Short, two other possibilities take center stage. One with a tie to overseas and World War II. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jun 22

60 min

After the murders of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, Paul and Billy examine the systemic racism that is resulting in the deaths of so many black men and women by police in the United States. And they explore how defunding the police could be seen as an opportunity to fix a broken crime solving system and actually solve more serious crimes. Retired LAPD Sgt. Cheryl Dorsey joins to discuss how to fix the problem within police departments around the country. And former prosecutor Loni Coombs joins to discuss the Eric Garner case, and whether there is any other legal recourse that can be taken against the cop who murdered him.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jun 15

83 min

Billy and Paul examine one of the most perplexing unsolved murders in America, the Black Dahlia. In the first of a two part series, Paul examines the autopsy summaries, and through the lens of advancements in forensics, identifies the wounds inflicted on Elizabeth Short. These new observations lead directly into new possible theories. This episode was part of a batch record before Paul went into surgery last week. At the top of the show, we address the immense importance of the Black Lives Matter movement and the steps we can take for change, including the first steps in a massive dismantling of how policing is done in America. Next week we will devote the episode on police brutality and how things can—and must—change.   See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jun 8

77 min

Paul and Billy look into an unsolved murder of an 18-year-old out of Little Rock, Arkansas. Ebby Steppach went missing in late October of 2015. The only sign left behind was her car with a dead battery, empty gas tank and the keys still in the ignition. Her family and friends searched for over two years before Ebby's remains were located. Now Billy and Paul are hoping the Murder Squad can help find justice for Ebby.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jun 1

54 min

Billy and Paul look into one of the three men given the nickname "The Freeway Killer." Randy Kraft was caught redhanded with a victim in his car at the time of a drunk driving arrest in May 1983. But the search of his car led to a list of potentially 61 victims. Paul and Billy are joined by former NCIS Investigator Julie Haney who interviewed Kraft about one of his victims. The three discuss the possibility that Kraft's victims could actually be in the 100's.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

May 25

62 min

Billy and Paul look into convicted serial killer Michael Magliolo, who hitched rides with truckers to find his victims on the road. They are joined by retired Nashville detective Pat Postiglione, the man who caught Magliolo—as well as one of the most infamous trucker killers—Bruce Mendenhall. All three think Magliolo has many more victims and need the Murder Squad to aid in their search. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

May 18

71 min

Paul and Billy look into two separate cases nearly four decades apart, each haunted with a voice of the offender. The first case, from Canada, is searching for a murderer. A man picked up Amber Tuccaro as she hitchhiked her way into town. He didn’t know his voice was being recorded as she protested. The other is a kidnapping—the apparent abductor of Margaret Ellen Fox calling her parents. Billy and Paul are hoping that the Murder Squad may recognize these evil voices, and help deliver justice.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

May 11

59 min

Billy and Paul look into the murders of 8-year-olds Christopher Byers, Michael Moore and Stevie Branch in West Memphis, Arkansas. Paul gives his unfiltered, professional opinion of what happened to the boys, as well as who he thinks may be responsible--listener discretion is advised. Billy and Paul also talk with one of the three men who was originally convicted of the murders. If you would like to hear more about the case, you can watch "The West Memphis Three: An ID Murder Mystery" on InvestigationDiscovery.com or via the IDGo app. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

May 4

82 min

Prisons and jails in each state are letting inmates out for fear of the coronavirus. Some before trial. Some early release.  And scores of those are already back in prison for reoffending—some being accused of killing people in their small moments of freedom. On the other side of that coin is Walter Ogrod, who has been in prison for two decades for the murder of a 4-year-old girl. DNA says he most likely did not commit commit that murder. The victim’s mother and even the DA says he should be free, but he sits in jail with a fever of 106 waiting for a hearing. Billy. Paul and legal analyst Loni Coombs delve into these cases. Plus Billy and Paul contribute to the John Krasinski’s Some Good News network with some good crime news.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Apr 27

48 min

In the conclusion of "Can I Take Your Picture? Serial Killers with Cameras," Billy and Paul give updates on two photographer killers from season one--revealing the invaluable tips you gave and identifications of the women in that photos that are confirmed and still in the works. And they bring you one more possible serial killer with a camera who was just caught.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Apr 20

53 min

Paul and Billy delve deeper into The Dating Game Killer, Rodney Alcala, this time joined by NYPD Detective Wendell Stradford. Stradford was the cold case investigator who linked Alcala to even more crimes. Together they sift through the evidence, including murders and sexual assaults Alcala could be responsible for and give possible answers to the identities of the women in the photos he left behind.    See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Apr 13

68 min

Tiger King raised a lot of questions about cult-like behavior and animal cruelty. But the biggest question for us was: What happened to Don Lewis? Two months after filing a restraining order against his wife, he goes missing. His children never hear from him.  Paul and Billy look into Carole, Joe Exotic and take a deep dive into the timeline and circumstances behind the man who went missing from Easy Street. Plus, the announcement of the first Murder Squad Virtual Art Show.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Apr 6

71 min

In part 2 of "Can I Take Your Picture? Serial Killers with Cameras," Paul and Billy continue their deep dive into The Dating Game Killer-Rodney Alcala. With the help of retired detective Cliff Shepard, the guys discuss four cases in Los Angeles that were tied to Alcala. Shepard recalls his interactions with Alcala and why he calls Alcala "truly evil."  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Mar 30

64 min

What happens if someone is murdered during the quarantine? How will the detectives proceed? How will first responders respond to a call where someone is in imminent danger? In this special episode of the Jensen and Holes: The Murder Squad, Paul and Billy attempt to answer these questions, and offer resources for domestic violence survivors who might be at risk during self distancing.  If you-or someone you know-is in danger of domestic abuse, you can reach the US National Domestic Violence Hotline on their website, by phone at 1-800-799-7233 and TTY 1-800-787-3224, or text LOVEIS to 22522. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Mar 23

53 min

More than 20 killers have used this line to lure victims to their death. The second season of Jensen and Holes: The Murder Squad starts with a 4-part series focused on these killers--and the photographs they left behind. Photographs that could be other victims. In the season premiere, Paul and Billy delve deep into a missing who was last seen going to meet a photographer, and begin looking into serial killer Rodney Alcala, better known as The Dating Game Killer.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Mar 16

70 min

Season 2 of Jensen and Holes: The Murder Squad drops this Monday, March 16th. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Mar 13

2 min

Billy and Paul welcome actor, comedian and podcaster Paul Scheer to discuss his role as a fictional special agent as well as true crime. The guys discuss a case with a questionable confession. Plus Billy and Paul give their thoughts on the possible plea deal for the Golden State Killer.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Mar 9

54 min

This week Billy and Paul welcome Henry Zebrowski from Last Podcast on the Left. The three take a look at the first true crime case that interested Henry when he was just a boy--The Unabomber Ted Kaczynski. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Mar 2

82 min

This week Billy and Paul welcome Josh Mankiewicz from NBC's Datelineto talk about some of the most memorable cases he's covered. One case touched Josh on a personal level; the other was memorable for very different reasons. Josh also shares with the guys part of the process of producing true crime for television and what it's been like to see the genre come into its own.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Feb 24

76 min

This week's Winter Distraction features one of the original true crime podcasters, Phoebe Judge from the Criminal podcast. Paul, Billy and Phoebe discuss some of Criminal's most popular episodes--including one with links to the world of Harry Potter. And Phoebe talks about how the true crime podcast landscape has changed and what it takes to make a great episode.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Feb 17

53 min

On this week's Winter Distraction, Billy and Paul look into another case they are often asked about-the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. The six-year-old beauty pageant queen was found murdered inside the family home in December of 1996. The case remains unsolved. Billy and Paul weigh in on the evidence at the scene and give their impressions of the case.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Feb 10

64 min

On this week's Winter Distraction, Billy and Paul welcome Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark from My Favorite Murder. Billy, Paul, Karen and Georgia discuss the case that the guys get asked the most about--the death of Kathleen Peterson covered in depth on the Netflix series The Staircase. They discuss the case and specifically the "owl theory." See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Feb 3

56 min

On this week's Jensen and Holes: Winter Distraction, Billy and Paul welcome the funny and talented film and television actress Lauren Lapkus. They discuss her fictional crime role in Orange is the New Black--including which real life criminal she would want to guard.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jan 27

49 min

On this week's Winter Distraction, Billy and Paul welcome the crew from the podcast Small Town Dicks. Billy, Paul, Yeardley Smith (Lisa Simpsons from The Simpsons) and Detectives Dan and Dave will discuss one of the biggest pop culture crime cases in the past year—the Jeffrey Epstein’s “suicide.” We delve into the background that first brought Epstein to the attention of law enforcement, the gross mishandling of his first criminal cases, those he was close to, his final days and the autopsy report.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jan 20

87 min

Jessi has been listening to The Murder Squad since episode 1, and followed Paul and Billy's instructions and submitted her DNA to GEDMatch after using an ancestry site. In June, detectives in Colorado contacted her, asking her to help put together a family tree. And last month, an arrest was made in an almost 40-year-old unsolved murder. In this week's Winter Distraction, Billy and Paul talk to the Squaderino who was instrumental in solving the first cold case by the Murder Squad community. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jan 13

38 min

While Billy and Paul are working diligently on season two of Jensen and Holes: The Murder Squad, they're using their downtime to watch movies and TV shows about...crime. Some true crime, some fiction. In these mini-episodes, the guys give their thoughts on the crime shows and movies you love--and debate what they would've done differently if they were in the detectives shoes. Special guests from the podcast and entertainment world will drop in to share a drink and talk some crime. For our first Winter Distraction, Billy and Paul welcome investigative comedian Adam Conover from Adam Ruins Everything and the podcast Factually. Billy and Paul asks Adam to ruin true crime from fingerprints to DNA.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Jan 6

52 min

In part two of the season one finale, Billy and Paul delve into the tips the Murder Squad has received this year. They interview Charles Manson’s acid dealer, who has never spoken to the police. But he came forward to the Squad with new information about the potential other murders The Manson Family could be responsible for in late 1960s Los Angeles. Also updates on our fugitive cases, the Olivia Lone Bear case, as well as convicted killer Jeffrey Willis.  Plus someone close to serial killer Jesse Matthew provides a detailed timeline of his whereabouts.  Stay tuned all winter for Murder Squad: Winter Distraction every Monday, where Billy and Paul will have very special guests to talk true crime cases and investigations.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Dec 2019

61 min

In the first part of the season finale, Billy and Paul talk to a woman who was friends with Yvonne Weber and Maureen Sterling--victims from the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders. She was offered by them to smoke pot with a mystery man. She saw the man. Was never questioned by police and never told her story—-until now.  Also there will be updates on Alissa Turney's case, the I-5 Strangler, and theories on the unsolved murders of Abby and Libby from Delphi, Indiana.   See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Dec 2019

76 min

Every Wednesday, Parcast's Famous Fates releases 5 binge-worthy episodes only on Spotify. Each week centers around a common theme, such as Hollywood Icons, Mysterious Deaths, or Notorious Names. These incredible stories are all brought to life by an ensemble cast of talented voice actors. This sneak peek is a clip of the Famous Fates episode on James Dean. To hear the full episode and others like it, search Famous Fates and listen free, only on Spotify.   See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Dec 2019

8 min

Billy Jensen and Paul Holes look into the unsolved murder of Brittany Phillips. 18-year-old Brittany Phillips had just moved back to the Tulsa area a few months before she was killed in her apartment in September of 2004. Law enforcement have over 70 swabs of DNA-one with a match-but Brittany's killer still remains unknown. With the help of Brittany's mom Dr. Maggie Zingman, Billy and Paul take a closer look into the investigation.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Dec 2019

69 min

Billy Jensen and Paul Holes look into the murder of 18-year-old Anita Knutson out of Minot, North Dakota. Anita was a friend to everyone, appearing to have no enemies, when she was discovered murdered in her apartment on June 4, 2007.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Dec 2019

48 min

Billy and Paul dive into the unsolved cases of the Freeway Phantom. In front of a live studio audience they discuss the details of six unsolved homicides from the Washington, D.C. area in 1971 and 1972. The cases are thought to have been committed by the same person dubbed the Freeway Phantom by the media.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Dec 2019

74 min

Billy Jensen and Paul Holes look into the fugitive case of John Blauvelt out of South Carolina. Blauvelt is wanted for the murder of his wife Cati in October of 2016. Shortly after the murder he went on the run with a teenager who was recovered in Oregon--the last confirmed sighting of Blauvelt. Billy and Paul talk with US Marshal Will Cook in the search for John Blauvelt.  See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Nov 2019

53 min

In the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, this city of London, Ontario, had multiple serial killers in their midst. Three have been identified but most likely there was at least one more. Billy Jensen and Paul Holes look into the murders most likely committed by this unknown killer with the help of author Vanessa Brown. More information on Vanessa Brown's book can be found here: https://brownanddickson.com/pages/the-forest-city-killer See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Nov 2019

61 min

Billy Jensen and Paul Holes delve into the unsolved murder of Eva Taylor in front of a live audience at My Favorite Weekend in Santa Barbara. Taylor's case has similarities to the Golden State Killer cases, but still remains unsolved. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Nov 2019

57 min

This week Billy Jensen and Paul Holes look into two unsolved murders in Texas. Both cases captured the killers on video, both have DNA, but neither has been solved. Paul and Billy delve into the details of the murders of Shelbey Thornburgh and Missy Bevers. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Nov 2019

69 min

Billy Jensen and Paul Holes look into the unsolved murder Yale Gracey, one of the great minds behind the illusions featured in Disney's Haunted Mansion ride. They also discuss other unsolved Halloween cases through the years. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information.

Oct 2019

51 min

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