Unlocking Us with Brené Brown

Parcast

I’ve spent over 20 years studying the emotions and experiences that bring meaning and purpose to our lives, and if there’s one thing I’ve learned it’s this: We are hardwired for connection, and connecting requires courage, vulnerability, and conversation. I want this to be a podcast that’s real, unpolished, honest, and reflects both the magic and the messiness of what it means to be human. Episodes will include conversations with the people who are teaching me, challenging me, confusing me, or maybe even ticking me off a little. I'll also have direct conversations with you about what I’m learning from new research, and we'll do some episodes dedicated to answering your questions. We don’t have to do life alone. We were never meant to. Unlocking Us is a Spotify Original from Parcast.

Introducing: Unlocking Us
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In this first episode of a three-part Sisters Book Club series, Ashley and Barrett turn the tables on Brené and interview her about her new book, Atlas of the Heart: Mapping Meaningful Connection and the Language of the Human Experience. They ask all the questions we want to know, and they pull no punches—starting with stories about childhood superpowers, to matters of biology, biography, behavior, and backstory in the context of emotions and the book itself. They also talk about how Atlas is broken up into three sections, how the data was collected and analyzed to present the 87 emotions covered, and how powerful it is to have vocabulary that's as expansive as our experiences. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 1

57 min 35 sec

In this episode, I wanted to share with you a talk that I did at UCLA’s Royce Hall for Oprah’s SuperSoul sessions where I uncovered the fundamentals of trust. What is trust? The data says there are seven parts of trust, and we organize these into the acronym BRAVING trust. We talk about these seven elements and how they are reliable for exploring the integrity of our interactions with others as well as for engaging with our own self-trust. Breaking down the anatomy of trust into specific behaviors allows us to more clearly identify and address breaches of trust. I love the BRAVING checklist because it reminds me that trusting myself or other people is a vulnerable and courageous process. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 24

34 min 2 sec

In this episode, I’m talking with Lukas and Willie Nelson about their new album The Willie Nelson Family, a collection of country gospel-flavored songs performed by the Nelson Family Band and recorded at Willie’s Pedernales Studios—where we recorded this podcast—just outside of Austin. We talk about faith and family, music as church, and love—and how it’s really all tied together. We also talk about what brings us together, what keeps us apart, and what holds us back. We get some Nelson family advice—including their three family rules. And we end the episode with a surprise treat you’ll be singing all week. It was a special day and a treasured conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 17

40 min 3 sec

It’s part 2 of our two-part series with Karen Walrond, writer, activist, and longtime friend. We are talking about her new book, The Lightmaker’s Manifesto: How to Work for Change without Losing Your Joy. In part 1, we talked about activism and how it shows up in our daily lives. And in this episode, we talk about the connection between activism and spirituality. We talk about listening to the whispers that are calling us and the self-inquiry strategies that help us know what we’re supposed to be doing. We also dig in on performative activism and outrage, as well as the realities of burnout and how joy helps curb some of that. It’s an important conversation—and one we need to be having right now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 10

41 min 53 sec

This week I’m talking to Karen Walrond, writer, activist, and longtime friend of mine about her new book, The Lightmaker’s Manifesto: How to Work for Change without Losing Your Joy. This is the right book for the right time. Activism is such a big and often intimidating concept, and Karen breaks it down into small, intentional, and integrated acts that create a joyful life. We talk about how we met and how we define activism, and we share some really personal experiences we each had after Hurricane Harvey that shaped how we see the intersection of activism and joy. So enjoy this first of two episodes on life, light, and activism and how those three things are completely interconnected. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 3

57 min 43 sec

In this deeply special episode, I’m talking with singer-songwriter, activist, and artist Jake Wesley Rogers, whom I discovered on TikTok. It was love at first listen—and I mean, I fell madly, truly, deeply in love with him and his art, as well as how it made me feel, how it made me dance, and how it made me sing. He takes me to church. His songs are relatable and universal, he is pure light and love, and I cannot wait for you to hear this conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 27

1 hr 2 min

OY! It's our first LIVE Unlocking Us, recorded at ACL Fest in Austin, Texas. I asked Brett Goldstein—writer, comedian, producer, and Emmy Award-winning actor—to join me onstage for a conversation. We talked about the vulnerability and humanity behind comedy, we talked about the band we’d create, we talked about the Muppets—and we talked about why everyone loves his character Roy Kent and all his friends on the beloved comedy series Ted Lasso. This will definitely not be our last live recording. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 20

49 min 48 sec

In this episode, I am back with my sisters Ashley and Barrett to do a follow-up on the Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection. We received a lot of questions in the comments after the six-episode series, so I’ve pulled my sisters back in to seek some answers. We are also knee-deep in life stuff right now, so we open up about our own struggles with some of the topics in question, including running away, setting and managing boundaries, polling others over listening to ourselves, and living in authenticity. Join us as we seek As to all the Qs from social media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 13

44 min 51 sec

In this episode, I’m talking with first-time authors and longtime podcasters—and even longer-time friends—Aminatou Sow and Ann Friedman. We’re talking about their book, Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close, and why the lack of meaningful, intimate, vulnerable friendships is almost a crisis right now. One key learning for me is how many of us believe that friendships should be easy and require little effort, when, in reality, we can’t have any meaningful relationships without putting in meaningful work. And that’s not always easy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 6

1 hr 12 min

In this episode, I am talking with Sarah Niles, who plays Dr. Sharon Fieldstone, the respected sports psychologist on Ted Lasso---and I just want to let you know that we have worked very hard for no show spoilers at all. It’s just a great conversation about where she came from, what she believes in, and the story of how she ended up as this central and pivotal character on one of our favorite shows. This is one of those podcasts where if you're walking, just take a deep breath. If you're driving, maybe crack the window. If you're at home, grab some hot tea or a cup of coffee. To know Sarah is to love her and appreciate her talent, her gifts, and her commitment to truth, love, and kindness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sep 29

46 min 21 sec

I’m talking to Esther Perel, psychotherapist, New York Times best-selling author, and podcaster, about relationships in the pandemic and beyond. She blew my mind around some patterns that Steve and I have discovered over the past months in lockdown. We also talk a lot about paradox and straddling the tension of two competing ideas that can both be true. It’s maddening and inspiring. And you’ll hear in real time how I’m wowed, impressed, and completely Esther Perel-ed before it’s all over. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sep 22

1 hr 14 min

I’m talking to my dear friend Tarana Burke about her new memoir, Unbound: My Story of Liberation and the Birth of the Me Too Movement. Her book is beautiful, hard, and breathtaking. Tarana is unflinching in her storytelling. As she takes us on the journey that transformed her life and the world, we can feel our own transformation happening. The person who starts this book is not the person who finishes this book. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sep 15

1 hr 1 min

From the vault: Join me for Part 1 of a two-part series with Priya Parker on gathering together again that originally ran on my other podcast Dare to Lead. Priya is a master facilitator, strategic advisor, and the author of The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters. We talked late last spring about the real, big and small challenges we’ll see when we return to workspaces, the need we’ll have to use our creativity and ingenuity to figure out how to be together, and the opportunity we’ll get to ask how we can be together better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sep 1

1 hr 4 min

From the vault: As the self-appointed president of the TLFC (Ted Lasso Fan Club), Brené interviewed Jason Sudeikis, the co-creator, writer and executive producer who plays Ted Lasso, and Brendan Hunt, the co-creator and writer who plays Coach Beard on the Apple TV+ hit series, as they were writing season two of the beloved show that received 20 Emmy nominations. The show follows the adventures of a small-time college football coach from Kansas hired to coach a professional soccer team in England, despite having no experience coaching soccer. We talk about the show’s interesting origin story, writers’ room inspirations, and why intention is critical to the creative process. It’s a fun conversation about a show that is unapologetically awkward, brave, and kind. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Aug 18

51 min 15 sec

Barrett is here today with a note to let you know that Brené is still heads down under a book deadline, so we’re going to take a few weeks off from Unlocking Us. We hope this a good opportunity for you to catch up on episodes from Brené’s two podcasts-- Dare to Lead and Unlocking Us -- because we have some really excellent new episodes coming this Fall that you’ll want to be ready for. We will be back with new Unlocking Us episodes on September 15. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Aug 4

1 min 42 sec

It’s the final episode of our six-part Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection with my sisters, Ashley and Barrett, and we finish strong with the last of the Guideposts: #9: Cultivating Meaningful Work: Letting Go of Self-Doubt and “Supposed To” and #10: Cultivating Laughter, Song, and Dance: Letting Go of Being Cool and “Always in Control.” We talk about how doing meaningful work connects us and how being cool is honestly, very lonely. And we finally reach the moment Ashley and Barrett have been waiting for all along—and possibly the only reason they agreed to do this series—they finally get to share their top five songs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jul 28

34 min 36 sec

In this second-to-last episode of the Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection, I have a couple of in-real-time revelations: namely that I suck at cultivating quality rest and play (a.k.a. Guidepost #7). Thankfully, on the flip side, I’ve gotten pretty good over the years at cultivating calm and stillness (thank you, five-mile-long daily walks) and letting go of anxiety as a lifestyle (Guidepost #8). We dig in and ask the existential question: What does your ideal restful vacation look like? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jul 21

28 min 3 sec

This might just be the toughest, most personal episode yet in the Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection. As Ashley, Barrett, and I tackle Guideposts #5 — Cultivating Intuition and Trusting Faith: Letting Go of the Need for Certainty — and #6 — Cultivating Creativity: Letting Go of Comparison, we reflect on our upbringing, which was marked with uncertainty, unpredictability, and plenty of eggshell living. It’s no surprise then, that letting go of certainty is one of my greatest challenges. We talk about that and how we to try to show up differently in the families we are raising now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jul 14

22 min 21 sec

We’re at the halfway mark of our six-episode Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection, and this week we dig into Guideposts #3 — Cultivating a Resilient Spirit: Letting Go of Numbing and Powerlessness — and #4 — Cultivating Gratitude and Joy: Letting Go of Scarcity and Fear of the Dark. Ashley, Barrett, and I look at our lives post-COVID and talk candidly about the ways we’ve numbed over the past year—and how we’ve lost some of our gratitude practices. These two things may be related. Moving forward, we (re)commit to making wholeheartedness a family affair. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jul 7

32 min 12 sec

It's Part 2 of our six-part Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection, with my sisters, Ashley and Barrett. In this episode, we start with Guidepost #1: Cultivating Authenticity and Letting Go of What People Think and move into Guidepost #2: Cultivating Self-Compassion and Letting Go of Perfectionism. Practicing authenticity--and yes, it is a daily practice--is really connected to boundary work, so we admit the individual fears we each experience when setting boundaries. We also talk about perfectionism as a process addiction, and how our imperfections are not inadequacies, but instead, they're reminders that we're all in this together.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 30

42 min 39 sec

Join me and my sisters, Ashley and Barrett, for Part 1 of our six-part Summer Sister Series on The Gifts of Imperfection. In this episode, we start with the Introduction, go over the 10 Guideposts, and talk about our personal Wholehearted Inventory scores. Surgeon General’s Warning: This is about as real as it gets. Equal amounts laughing, hard conversations, surprising revelations, and cussing. And some singing. But I file that under painful and/or laughing. If this sounds like your kind of conversation, join us for the rest of the series. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jun 23

56 min 31 sec

I’m talking to writer, teacher, and scholar Dr. Clint Smith about his new book, How the Word Is Passed: A Reckoning with the History of Slavery Across America. We talk about the history of slavery in this country and how we approach, excavate, recognize, and react to that history—and how we have a responsibility and accountability to get the story and the history right. Because when we can be honest about the history, we can begin to acknowledge it, reckon with it, and heal from it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 26

1 hr 36 min

In this episode, I’m talking to writer Ashley C. Ford about her new memoir, Somebody’s Daughter, and how it is written for everyone who walks into a bookstore and feels like they can't find a book about themselves—and there are a lot of us looking for that. We talk about the writing process, the truth-telling process, and how connecting the two can be liberating not only to us, but also to others. Our conversation is not just a story about her life, it is a story about life and what connects us to show us that we are not alone--and that we are braver than we know. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 19

1 hr 4 min

In this episode, I talk with Justina Blakeney, designer, artist, and New York Times best-selling author about how we can create spaces to tell our stories. We talk about how color, pattern, plants, and windy paths can be personalized to help express our individuality, and how connecting with both our unique roots and adventures allows us to not only look at objects and space differently, but also to see ourselves and our worlds in new ways. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 12

1 hr 2 min

This week I’m talking to Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Bruce Perry about their new book, What Happened to You? Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing. We define trauma and talk about why big and small traumas activate our stress response systems and create emotional, physical, and social consequences, and how we can find the path to healing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 5

1 hr 11 min

This week's episode features two audio essays from “You Are Your Best Thing,” an anthology on the Black lived experience of vulnerability and shame resilience, led by my friend Tarana Burke, an organizer, writer, activist, and the founder of the 'me too.' movement. It starts with an introduction from Tarana and me, followed by an essay from Jason Reynolds, award-winning and #1 New York Times bestselling author. All of the essays in the book are urgent, compelling, heartbreaking, and heart affirming. I'm proud and grateful to share this work with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 28

43 min 24 sec

This week I have a tough, loving conversation about dementia and Alzheimer's with Jason Karlawish, physician, researcher, professor, clinician, and author of The Problem of Alzheimer’s: How Science, Culture, and Politics Turned a Rare Disease Into a Crisis and What We Can Do About It. This heartbreakingly common diagnosis creates multiple patients—both the diagnosed and the caregivers. We talk about the difference between Alzheimer's and dementia, how we respond to a disease that diminishes our autonomy, and what we can do to take care of ourselves and each other. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 21

1 hr 3 min

Get ready for a delicious conversation. I am talking to Samin Nosrat, author, cook, teacher, podcaster, and the force of nature behind the revolutionary cookbook Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat and its Netflix documentary. We connect on her work and the struggles and realities of creating connections in a period of great disconnection. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 14

56 min 16 sec

This week I’m talking to Brandi Carlile, singer, songwriter, performer, producer, activist, and author of a new memoir, Broken Horses. We talk about everything from the politics of middle school lunch tables, to the pursuit of complicated faith, to the tyranny of fitted sheets. This is a conversation between two people, meeting for the first time, and yet, somehow, it feels like we've been friends forever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 7

53 min 21 sec

Hanif Abdurraqib is a beautiful person and an incredible writer, poet, essayist, and cultural critic. His new book, A Little Devil in America: Notes in Praise of Black Performance, took my breath away.  Hanif’s ability to straddle the tension of grief and gratitude, beauty and horror, mourning and jubilation is where the miracle and the genius happen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 31

1 hr 12 min

Unlocking Us is here to Dare to Lead on inclusivity. In this episode, I talk to friend, colleague and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion expert, Aiko Bethea. We discuss empathy, accountability, and the power of listening and believing (including a very real role play). We also dissect the differences between transactional leadership and transformational leadership, and why courage is a prerequisite to lasting, meaningful change. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 24

47 min 36 sec

This week, Unlocking Us is going to Dare to Lead! In this episode, I connect with Olympian, activist and author Abby Wambach on the new rules of leadership. Her book WOLFPACK, I kid you not, is on my top five must-read leadership books. I buy this book for everyone. It’s leadership gold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 17

1 hr 7 min

This week I’m talking to Dr. Angus Fletcher, professor and author of Wonderworks: The 25 Most Powerful Inventions in the History of Literature, about the science behind the great writings of authors across time--from Greek tragedies, to Maya Angelou, to Tina Fey. We look at how the technology of literature can nurture democracy, power personal growth, and improve our mental health and well-being. Weaving together library and laboratory research, we discuss how literature actually changes who we are, helps us understand who we are, and teaches us how to think. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 10

1 hr 15 min

In this episode, I talk to Dr. Yaba Blay about her new book, One Drop: Shifting the Lens on Race. It's an honest and raw conversation about identity, grief, transformation, history, colorism, and taking responsibility for change. I continue to reflect on this quote from Dr. Blay: "Identity is nuanced. It's complicated. I think it's hard to define. Sometimes I think it's dangerous to define, depending upon who's doing the defining." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mar 3

1 hr 20 min

This week I’m talking to clinical psychologist and author Dr. Edith Eger about her books, The Choice and The Gift. Dr. Eger is a Holocaust survivor who has dedicated her career to helping us understand trauma, anger, resilience, and the power of choosing how we see ourselves and how we resist the labels that people put on us. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 24

43 min 24 sec

In this episode, I’m talking with Jennifer Rudolph Walsh and Ashley C. Ford about their work, their lives, and the new anthology Hungry Hearts, a collection of intimate stories and essays on courage, desire, and belonging. I just love talking to the storytellers and magic-makers! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 17

1 hr 14 min

A conversation with two unforgettable creators: Debbie Millman and Roxane Gay. Debbie is a designer, author, educator, and the host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters; and Roxane is a writer, editor, cultural critic, and co-host of the podcast Hear to Slay. Roxane and Debbie are newlyweds, and we talk about their love story, creativity, and the power of a dinner party. Their words and art have been very influential in my life - talking to them about the ins-and-outs of ordinary life is, in itself, extraordinary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 10

1 hr 29 min

Drs. Julie and John Gottman have taken more than 40 years of breakthrough research and written or co-written more than 40 books on marital stability, divorce prediction, and how science can help people have successful, loving relationships. We talk about the toll the pandemic has taken on couples, their work in the context of current events, and practical shifts that can help us take care of each other. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Feb 3

1 hr 22 min

In this episode, I talk with Emmanuel Acho, creator, host, and producer of Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man, a web series about racism to drive open and uncomfortable dialogue. His book with the same name is a thoughtful manifesto, a mandate and a playbook that’s both generous and full of love. We get personal, and we talk about what these important questions mean in context of history and for culture today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 27

59 min 7 sec

In this episode, I talk with philanthropist and global advocate for women and girls, Melinda Gates. We talk about empathy, the power of story, and about her book, The Moment of Lift - a clear and powerful call to action for gender equity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 20

1 hr 16 min

In this "On My Mind" episode, we talk about shame and accountability. We discussed this a bit last summer, but I’m going deeper today in light of the insurrection at the US Capitol building and the resulting calls to unity without accountability. Dehumanization is the most significant driver of insurrection and it always starts with language. We are all responsible for recognizing it, stopping it, and holding people accountable for dehumanizing language and actions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jan 13

35 min 24 sec

It’s a podcasters’ roundtable! In this episode, Tim Ferriss, Dax Shepard, and I talk about everything from preparing for podcasts, parenting, and ping pong, to addiction, trauma, and the long, winding road to healing and wholeness. It’s fun and hard and messy. Everything you’d expect from three people who consider curiosity a way of life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 2020

1 hr 40 min

In this episode, I talk with President Barack Obama about his life, his work, and his new book A Promised Land. We dive into the power of leaning into uncertainty, and why the rare skill of holding the tension of opposites makes us better leaders, partners, and parents. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 2020

1 hr 1 min

In this "On My Mind" episode, we revisit FFTs and talk about tired brains and new strategies for recovering from too many hard first times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 2020

31 min 23 sec

In this episode, I talk with David Eagleman, a neuroscientist, New York Times bestselling author, TED speaker, and Guggenheim Fellow, all about the brain and how it works. It’s mysterious, malleable, constantly changing and up for new challenges. We dig deeper into the research in his book Livewired: The Inside Story of the Ever-Changing Brain on the power of being uncomfortable and trying new things and how important new experiences are for continued brain development and health. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dec 2020

58 min 16 sec

In this episode, I talk with Priya Parker - a master facilitator, strategic advisor, and the author of The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why it Matters. We dig into what it means to come together, why connection requires intention, and the often-invisible structures inside our most meaningful gatherings. Priya even helps me deconstruct my wedding and why, decades later, people still tell me how different and fun it was! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 2020

1 hr 1 min

This episode is proof that dreams do come true! I get to talk to Dolly Parton about love, empathy, and the power of truth-telling. We talk about everything from her new book, Dolly Parton, Songteller: My Life in Lyrics and songwriting, to the challenges of leading organizations and Burt Reynolds. It's amazing to me how Dolly's songwriting and storytelling seems to be driven by a deep calling to turn toward pain and heartbreak so she can shine a light for all of us to find our way. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 2020

46 min 43 sec

In this episode, I talk with writer, storyteller, and joy advocate Gabby Rivera, the first Latina to write for Marvel Comics. Gabby penned the solo series America about America Chavez, a portal-punching queer Latina powerhouse. We also talk about her debut novel Juliet Takes a Breath, how important it is to see ourselves in stories about the hero’s journey, and how joy is a form of resistance. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 2020

1 hr 5 min

In this solo episode recorded on Election Day 2020, I talk directly to our wholehearted community about the practice that helps me when I'm feeling fearful, worried, or wobbly, and why this work is the foundation for true belonging. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nov 2020

20 min 57 sec

In this episode, I speak with Elizabeth Lesser, bestselling author and cofounder of Omega Institute, about her newest book Cassandra Speaks: When Women are the Storytellers, the Human Story Changes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Oct 2020

56 min 8 sec