The New Rules of Work

The Muse

The New Rules of Work explores the changing landscape of work and how that impacts both employees and employers. In this podcast from The Muse, host Kathryn Minshew, Founder & CEO of The Muse (one of Fast Company's 50 Most Innovative Companies in the World) and author of "The New Rules of Work," speaks with some of the most innovative and creative executives and experts about topics ranging from:

Building Authentic Company Cultures; Creating a High Performing Work Environment; Diversity and Inclusion; Work-Life Balance; Managing a Family and a Career; Corporate Social Responsibility and Sustainability; Company Mergers and Acquisitions; Freelancing and the Gig Economy.

All Episodes

Ellen Pao received international attention when she filed a gender discrimination lawsuit against Silicon Valley venture capital fund Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. She lost her case, but the lawsuit catalyzed a conversation we’re still having today about the lack of diversity in the workplace. In this episode, Ellen and I discuss: Ellen’s experience at Kleiner and what prompted her decision to file the gender discrimination lawsuit What Ellen would do differently, knowing what she knows now How much (or little) progress we’ve made in educating people about diversity issues How today’s workers, regardless of their own gender, orientation, ethnicity, or ability, seek out employers who have a proven commitment to fostering diverse and inclusive workplaces Why an inclusive and diverse culture starts with the leadership of the CEO Ways to confront bias and discrimination at work Check out Ellen’s book, Reset: My Fight for Inclusion and Lasting Change, and her nonprofit, Project Include. You can find this interview, and many more, by subscribing to the New Rules of Work podcast on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, or on our website. To read the full transcript, click here. 

Jan 2020

32 min 46 sec

Bond Vet founder and Chief Veterinary Officer Dr. Zaynab Satchu is quick to point out that their company is not trying to disrupt the veterinary industry. But they are trying to change it, using technology and thoughtful design, and by focusing on the emotional wellbeing of their animal patients and their owners, as well as their employees. On this episode, I chatted with Dr. Zay about how she made the leap from vet to startup founder. What we talked about: Dr. Zay’s journey to becoming a veterinarian, and how she knew she wanted to build her own company What makes Bond Vet different from other vet clinics The importance of being vulnerable as a leader Dr. Zay’s 20-year goal to reduce the rate of suicide in the vet space, and how she brings mental health care front-and-center with her teams Learn more about Bond Vet at www.bondvet.com and on Instagram, @BondVetClinic. If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Jan 2020

23 min 19 sec

Most people will have an average of 12 jobs in their lifetime, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, and younger workers will change jobs more frequently with an average tenure of 2.8 years. With every new job, and especially bigger career changes, it can be common to feel doubt and anxiety about whether you’re up for the challenge.On this episode, I chatted with César Ruiz, Regional Vice President at Microsoft, about his career path, which has included jumps into several different industries. César talks candidly about imposter syndrome, both how he manages his own and how he helps his team manage it, too. What we talked about: César’s career changes from law and government work, to finance, to advertising, and finally into his current role at Microsoft César’s experience being at 7 World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001 Ways to work through imposter syndrome The importance of mentorship throughout your career, and especially during a career change If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Jan 2020

25 min 4 sec

Stereotyping is how our brains work, and it takes work to be self-aware when our biases creep in. That’s just the first step, though. When we recognize and understand our biases, we then have to be intentionally inclusive of other people so we can create room for them and their perspectives.  This is a topic Cindy Augustine, Global Chief Talent Officer, and her team at FCB have thought a lot about. On this episode, Cindy and I talked about: Cindy’s transition from being an attorney to being an HR leader How Cindy “fully embraces” her responsibility to be a role model How Cindy and her team built the Intentional Inclusion workshops that people want to be part of Cindy tells a beautiful story about letting people in and dealing generously with them — and herself If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Jan 2020

28 min

At some point in your career, you will likely be part of a company that undergoes a merger or acquisition. These deals often have a major impact on employees, and it can sometimes feel like you’re left figuring out how to survive amid all the change.This episode is a deep-dive into one of the largest mergers & acquisitions in the history of the technology industry: when Dell Technologies acquired data storage company EMC for $67 billion in 2016. I talked with Marie Moynihan and Brent Amundson, who lead talent acquisition efforts at Dell, about: How they approached the opportunity to create a new “third company” What it takes to thrive during an acquisition What sets high-performing people apart If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the transcript, click here.

Dec 2019

11 min 9 sec

When you hear about the “gig economy,” you might think about an army of creative freelancers who are traveling the world while working. That’s some of the people represented in the gig economy, but there are also people doing this work because they’re not ready to retire, or because they can’t find full-time employment. On this episode, I interview Sarah Kessler, journalist and author of Gigged: The End of the Job and the Future of Work, to go beyond the myths of gig work. What we talked about: The real impact of the gig economy on workers and companies What types of people are moving into gig work Tips and best practices for people considering gig work and for companies hiring gig workers Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Gigged: The End of the Job and the Future of Work (Sarah’s book — so good) The Good Jobs Strategy by Zeynep Ton If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Dec 2019

18 min 48 sec

Chances are good that most people listening live within a few miles of a Walmart. With more than 2.2 million employees, it is the largest private employer in the world. On this episode, I chatted with Amy Goldfinger, SVP of Global Talent Acquisition at Walmart, about her approach to building great teams. What we talked about: The company values Amy saw firsthand when she joined Walmart The history of Walmart’s famous phrase, “Our people make the difference” and how it inspires the company’s policies and programs How Walmart is changing as a business Amy's advice for prospective Walmart employees Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Careers at Walmart Made in America by Sam Walton If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the transcript, click here.

Dec 2019

12 min 21 sec

It takes a lot more than motivational trainings and networking dinners to help women achieve their financial and professional objectives. And for Sallie Krawcheck, the goal is clear: We need to get more money in the hands of women. On this episode, I talk with Sallie, CEO and co-founder of Ellevest, about: Why it’s so important to close the gender pay gap Our experiences as female founders raising money for our startups The work Sallie and her team are doing at Ellevest to promote women’s financial literacy How having a diverse workforce leads to better investing and business results Why women need to start networking earlier in their careers Checkout these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Sallie’s Twitter Financial information at Ellevest If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Dec 2019

31 min 42 sec

Any working parent knows how tough it can be to manage competing priorities. While we can’t always control everything about our jobs, we can set boundaries and be clear in our intentions so we stay focused on the most important things. On this episode, I speak with Michelle Peluso, SVP of Digital Sales and CMO at IBM. Michelle has held C-level roles at some of the biggest companies in the world, but she says her bio can be reduced to one simple sentence: “I work and I’m a mom.” What we talked about: Why Michelle seeks roles and companies where she can learn How Michelle prioritizes her time to ensure she’s focused on outcomes The importance of surrounding yourself with a strong team Adopting agile across a marketing organization  The simple recipe for inclusion at your organization Checkout these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Careers at IBM If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To listen to the transcript, click here.

Nov 2019

24 min 11 sec

We talk a lot about bringing your authentic self to work, but what does that actually look like? On her podcast Hello Monday, LinkedIn’s Jessi Hempel interviews a wide range of successful people about their careers. I invited her to share some of the things she’s learned along the way.  What we talked about: Embracing your individual strengths and not resisting who you are Jobs, vocations, and fulfillment at work When it’s a good idea to help an employee look for other work Setting technology boundaries What we’d tell our younger selves when we were just starting our careers Season 2 sneak peek of Hello Monday Check out these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Jessi’s podcast, Hello Monday Reboot by Jerry Colonna (an upcoming Hello Monday guest) If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Nov 2019

22 min 8 sec

Everyone can relate to the experience of starting a new job, but not everyone gets the opportunity to build a new culture at one of the largest advertising companies in the world. This is Jacqui Canney’s challenge at WPP, where she serves as the Global Chief People Officer. As Jacqui notes: 1 in every 3 ads placed comes from WPP. Their influence on society, and their responsibility to reflect diverse points of view, is massive. On this episode, Jacqui and I talk about: How Jacqui has approached her new role at WPP What happened the first 2 months she was Chief People Officer at Walmart Strategies for building a new company culture Encouraging your teams to embrace change The responsibility to recruit the best talent Checkout these resources we mentioned during the podcast: Careers at WPP Jacqui’s Twitter If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the transcript, please click here.

Nov 2019

17 min 39 sec

You've realized your workplace doesn't reflect the communities you're trying to serve, and you want to bring about cultural change in the organization. So, how do you get started? On this episode, I interview Anil Dash, CEO of Glitch: What we talked about: The particular challenges of diversity in tech Steps to promoting inclusion in your organization Why Anil helps his employees search for other jobs Finding meaning in your work and seizing the opportunity to make lasting change in the world through diversity If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all the forthcoming episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website. To read the full transcript, click here.

Nov 2019

27 min 59 sec

Study after study has shown that the first 90 days of an employee’s experience are crucial in determining whether they will stick with a company for the long haul. Stacey Payne, Chief People Officer at DIG, shared how she’s helped create an onboarding process that beats the 90 day mark — in fact, DIG’s employees are opting to stay with the company within their first 45 days. Stacey is the CPO at DIG, and she’s worked with Taco Bell, Northwestern Mutual, and others, developing HR programs and leading the HR function. What we talked about: Why the first 90 days are so crucial for employee engagement & retention The importance of vulnerability in leaders True diversity & real culture from an employee’s perspective Building a company around values, not singularity of thought You can find this interview, and many more, by subscribing to The New Rules of Work podcast on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Spotify, Stitcher, or on our website. To read the transcript, click here.

Nov 2019

27 min 13 sec

By 2025, 75% of the workforce in America will be comprised of millennials. The shift in the power dynamic between workers and employers is transforming the world of work. This episode launches The New Rules of Work, brought to you The Muse Founder and CEO, Kathryn Minshew. On this episode, I talked about: The 80 million millennials in the workforce in America Topics that you’ll hear in the first few episodes My excitement and vision for the podcast What’s at stake in the power structure of the world of work If you have ideas for episode topics or guests, send them straight to press@themuse.com. Listen to this and all the forthcoming episodes of The New Rules of Work at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and the podcast website.

Oct 2019

12 min 27 sec