Pastors Talk

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Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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How do you prevent a potential friction between staff and lay elders? How do you ensure they’re not just “yes men”? How much deference should non-staff elders give others? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, and Klon Kitchen continue their conversation on lay elders.

Sep 22

23 min

Churches ought to have elders. Some will be paid (1 Tim. 5), but many will be not. These unpaid elders are called “lay elders.” Is this distinction in this Bible? Are lay elders “minor-league elders”? Are they called to ministry in the same way senior pastors are? How can a church make sure that there isn’t a deep divide between elders who are paid by the church and those who aren’t?In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Klon Kitchen (a lay elder at Cheverly Baptist Church) about these questions and more.

Sep 15

26 min

In this inaugural episode of Bible Talk, Alex Duke chats with Jim Hamilton and Sam Emadi about the first three chapters of Genesis. These first three chapters of the Bible are so important because they set the trajectory for everything that comes next—all the way until we get to Revelation 22.Bible Talk is available on iTunes, Spotify and 9Marks.org.

Sep 9

46 min

Jonathan and Mark chat about Grace Community Church’s decision, civil disobedience, and how Christians ought to approach this season with an extra amount of charity and grace.

Jul 26

24 min

In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman asks Mark Dever to reflect on his friendship with J. I. Packer.

Jul 22

36 min

As Christians, we know we should pray. But too often, we fail to because we simply don’t desire to.

Jul 21

26 min

Sadly, missing church is common. Sometimes, it's for good reasons; other times, it's not. As a pastor, how many times have you heard a member tell you, "I'm so sorry we missed last Sunday—we just couldn't make it with everything we have going on!"?In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Gunner Gundersen about how we should respond to those who simply don't feel like going to church—and so they miss for this-or-that reason.

Jul 14

21 min

Many pastors feel pressure from their members to speak up on social media. “Why aren’t you talking about ___________? Don’t you care?”In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about how pastors ought to approach social media use.

Jul 7

22 min

In this Pastors Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal: On Shepherding — The Work and Character of a Pastor. They focus on three traits of a pastor:— They should be godly & gifted, but especially godly.— They should care about other churches.— They shouldn’t freak out.

Jun 30

28 min

In his book Revival & Revivalism, Iain Murray defines revival as God using ordinary means to effect extraordinary change. That’s much different than revivalism, which is when man tries to use extraordinary means to effect the same, extraordinary change.Can you tell the difference between the two? Is it even possible? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan asks Mark to take a brief tour of church history so that pastors and Christians today can discern the difference between revival—a good thing—and revivalism—a bad thing.

Jun 23

26 min

Have you ever met a growing Christian who is self-consciously choosing not to join a church? In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever about the vital necessity of joining a local church.For more on this topic, check out Mark’s new mini-book in the Church Questions series: "Why Should I Join a Church?"

Jun 16

21 min

Should pastors try to educate their church about issues related to race and racism? If so, how?In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with three staff members of College Park Church—Mark Vroegop, Jeff Brown, and James Miles—about what they’ve done, how they’ve done it, and why the journey is worth whatever difficulties it brings.

Jun 9

43 min

The past few weeks have been hard. People are grieving and angry, scared and confused.How should pastors lead and love their people during a national trauma? Jonathan Leeman and Garrett Kell discuss.

Jun 5

47 min

In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Matt Schmucker about what to do when elders disagree.

May 19

33 min

A few years ago, someone told pastor Aaron Menikoff that he was too harsh. The Holy Spirit took that feedback, and sparked in Aaron a fresh desire to pursue the fruit of the Spirit, which ultimately led to this new book: Character Matters.In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever chat with Aaron about the importance of godly character in the life of all Christians, especially pastors.

May 12

25 min

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Apr 28

25 min

In the previous Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan and Mark chatted about why he wrote One Assembly and how he hopes the book will be received. In this episode, Mark asks Jonathan to make his best case from the Bible against multi-site and multi-service churches.

Apr 21

23 min

Jonathan’s new book One Assembly argues against multi-site and multi-service churches. What motivated him to write a whole book on the topic? Isn’t this much ado about very little?In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark chats with Jonathan about his new book, why he loves multi-site and multi-service pastors, and what he hopes the book will accomplish.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Apr 14

23 min

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Apr 7

26 min

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Mar 31

26 min

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Mar 24

31 min

In this Pastor's Talk mini-episode, Mark Dever discusses what pastors and churches should do in light of the Coronavirus pandemic.

Mar 12

5 min

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Mar 10

28 min

It should be exceedingly rare to baptize someone apart from local church membership. In this episode of Pastors' Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the connection between the two.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Mar 3

26 min

One of the best ways to raise up the next generation of preachers is to give unproven guys opportunities. In this episode, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Isaac Adams about training young preachers.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Feb 25

28 min

God has told us in his Word how we ought to approach him in worship. This should shape how we plan our Sunday gatherings. But it also raises a question: Are we free to do things in our gatherings that God does not explicitly prescribe?Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Feb 18

26 min

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever, John Joseph, and Nathan Knight about a topic every pastor knows well: how to care for difficult people.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Feb 11

29 min

In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan chats with Mark and Paul Alexander about biblical theology. They cover questions like:— How do we accurately preach Christ from the Old Testament?— How should we preach Jesus as a moral example?— How do we get better at this?

Feb 4

29 min

To what degree should our services and sermons be aimed at non-Christians? How “seeker-sensitive” should we be?Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Jan 28

29 min

In this inaugural episode of Preachers’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with three friends from Simeon Trust—David Helm, Ed Copeland, and Jeremy Meeks—about preaching. To listen to Preachers' Talk, visit 9Marks.org

Jan 23

30 min

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Jan 21

28 min

Recently, the well-known pastor and author Francis Chan made some alarming comments about preaching, the Lord’s Supper, and the unity of the church. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark Dever, Bobby Jamieson, and Mark Feather about Chan’s comments in particular and the topics of preaching, the Supper, and unity more generally.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Jan 14

27 min

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark about the new 9Marks Journal, Complementarianism: A Moment of Reckoning. Our Journals may be downloaded for free at 9Marks.org. Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Dec 2019

31 min

Prospective pastors, don’t put your best foot forward.In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with Mark Dever and Blake Boylston about the interviewing and candidating process.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Dec 2019

29 min

Christians get depressed, which means pastors get depressed, too. In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan chats with Mark and Blake Boylston about how pastors ought to face seasons of depression.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Dec 2019

38 min

“I’m gifted in . . . ” How would you finish that sentence?In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Mark and Jonathan talk about how our spiritual gifts are primarily meant for the body. Our gifts aren’t, first and foremost, about our ability, but others’ edification.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Nov 2019

23 min

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Nov 2019

25 min

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Nov 2019

24 min

Pastoring small churches comes with unique challenges. In this Pastors’ Talk episode, Jonathan Leeman, Mark Dever, PJ Tibayan, and Jonathan Worsley discuss the blessings and burdens of shepherding a small flock.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Nov 2019

23 min

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Oct 2019

18 min

In this episode of Pastors’ Talk, Jonathan Leeman chats with author Matt McCullough about his book “Remember Death.” They’re joined by Mark Dever and Ligon Duncan. Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Oct 2019

29 min

Recorded live during 9Marks at Southeastern 2019.Join the 9Marks community:GET THE APP: http://9marks.link/appTWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/9MarksFACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/9MarksINSTAGRAM: https://www.instragram.com/9MarksBOOKSTORE: https://www.9marks.org/bookstore

Oct 2019

25 min

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Oct 2019

23 min

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