In our productivity obsessed culture we struggle to justify investing time or money into something that doesn’t have a defined outcome—this podcast is a journey to turn the lens of curiosity back on itself and nudge the rest of us 'grown-ups' to take their curiosity more seriously.
In this episode, I speak with my good Twitter friend Malcolm Ocean. Malcolm is many many things, but first and foremost I consider him to be not only relentlessly curious but also prolific in sharing his practical philosophy mostly through the medium of thoughtful Twitter threads.I predicted that the experience of listening to this conversation might be a little like the feeling of being trapped inside a pinball machine bouncing between unrelated topics... but in fact, what unfolded was a really satisfying dance around parallel threads which centred around our mutual interest of human attention and perception — and how these theories have deep practical value our daily life.Some of the topics we danced around include:❓ The value and art of holding questions, and sitting with deep uncertainty.🔥 His case for an aliveness-based productivity system and discussing why to consider even setting goals in the first place.🧠 How the barely known ideas contained in 'Perceptual Control Theory' have shifted his outlook on life and how these theories connect to the work of Iain McGilchrist's findings on the differences between our left and right brain hemispheres.🌎 We talked about our 'domino memes' as a way of attempting to articulate the different levels of impact that we're hoping to make in the world and I also really appreciated his framing of what he calls 'negative effort' which is a way of saying the creative work that we can't not do — and ideas for how we might incentivise this on a wider scale.Relevant Links👋 Find Malcolm on Twitter: @malcolm_ocean (and his thread collection) 👀 Read his blog: malcolmocean.com❓ Ribbonfarm blog post on 'Questions are not just for asking'🧠 His superb Divided Brain Twitter primer🎲 His 'Domino Meme' (and my domino meme)📚 A cheeky bootleg copy of 'Making Sense of Behaviour' (the actual book is out of print)
2 hr 8 min
Kelly Wilde is an artist, podcaster, performer, meditation mentor and poet who has been exploring the intersections of soul explorations, creative work and rewilding. She also happens to be my wife, and this episode fell on our 18-month anniversary — it’s a particularly juicy conversation and easily the most personal conversation that I've aired to date.In this conversation, we dance around a range of personal topics including: 🪨 Reflections on the last couple of decades of her life—from existential reckonings, identity crises, multiple career paths and rock-bottom moments that she has been through—and how these challenges have given way to a deeper clarity, knowing herself more intimately and beginning the process of what she describes as rewilding the feral aspects of her psyche.🧘 This led into the story of our experience at a 10-day meditation retreat we attended in Mexico last year, and how reflecting on death led to us getting married a mere two weeks later.❣️ We also talk about our reflections on the value we found from working with a couple's therapist, early on in our marriage and how being aware of what she calls the skeleton woman archetype has helped us to navigate rocky moments along the way in our partnership.I hope you enjoy this intimate conversation with the love of my life, Kelly Wilde.***Where to find Kelly on the Interwebs:📸 Instagram: @kellywildexo🎙️ Podcast: Wild on Purpose 👩🎨 Website: kellywilde.art
1 hr 48 min
Conni and I have collaborated on a number of projects over the years and we've both followed remarkably similar paths from the world of entrepreneurship into the world of breathwork & nervous system science. In this conversation, Conni starts off by sharing some of her personal journey, her various heartbreaks and compartmentalisation of her sexuality that led her from being a very successful travel writer into being a prolific creator in the world of personal development and ultimately to the work she's doing now as a breath coach. From there we pretty rapidly dive go into the nitty-gritty aspects of breathwork and unpack some of the nervous system neurobiology that we've both been learning... including: 🌬️ How some of the functional breathing practices have impacted her life and the lives of the clients she works with, what it means to have a dysregulated breathing pattern and how to begin correcting this.🫁 She goes on a myth-busting roll, talking about common misperceptions around the role of CO2, we both share our concerns with Wim Hof training and riff on the importance of honing our sixth sense of 'interception'. 🧠 How helpful it has been for us to gain an embodied understanding of the difference between our 'Ventral' & 'Dorsal' branches of the parasympathetic nervous system.🤯 This episode might feel like a lot of information if you're just hearing this for the first time, but I encourage you to stay with it my hope is that there will be some real nuggets for everyone listening regardless of how much knowledge you currently have.– – – – – 👨🎓 Nervous System Mastery Online BootcampRegain control of your body + mind — cultivating effortless calm & sustained focus. Upon completion of this intensive 5-week Bootcamp you will be equipped with science-backed protocols & have built your own personalised "Human Operating System" — enabling you to regulate stress in real-time, rewire breathing patterns & reset your nervous system. Dates: Oct 17 – Nov 22Learn more here: nsmastery.com– – – – –🙋♀️ Where to find Conni Online🖥️ Website + blog: conni.me💌 Her awesome newsletter: flow + wonder🎙️ Conni's 'CREATE' podcast📸 Instagram: @breathwork.alchemy🐦 Twitter @connibe
1 hr 33 min
In one of the longest and most wide-ranging episodes to date, this conversation is with filmmaker, poet, relationship coach and utterly unique human being Alice Frank—who is here as she says to proudly "eff the ineffable".Her book 'My Real Name Is You' has been loved by Eckhart Tolle said 'My favourite poem I ever heard' and Jason Mraz who shared: 'Her words are alive the same way notation can fly off a page and become sweet music.'I'm slightly at a loss for words attempting to describe the ground that we covered but I will add that she is one of the most present people I've ever met and has a truly astounding capacity to articulate the great mysteries of life. Here's a sampling of where our conversation led:✨ Her spiritual awakening that lasted for a decade and what her experience was of being no-one (and the challenges of living so deeply in the present)... followed by what she described as her 'breakup with god'.😆 Why we lose touch with our sense of play and why we should strive to 'relieve reality of its seriousness'. I loved that one of her favourite mantras is 'Can you imagine if it mattered? Can you imagine if it mattered?' ❤️ Her journey from the depths of polyamory to more recently getting married, reframing un-conditional love to 'all-conditional' love & how she now coaches couples to remember what this even means. 🎴 Her current meditation practice and why she created a 'silent retreat in a box' — a beautiful series of mantra cards to create your own home meditation retreat (definitely check this out!)***Explore Alice's Homepage + Portfolio // UniamoryConnect with Alice on Instagram // @uniamory
1 hr 56 min
Max Stossel is an award-winning poet (whose short films have been seen over 40 million times) advisor to Tech for Humanity, successful filmmaker and all-around wise human who I'm grateful to call a brother.In this poetic + lyrical conversation we explore:🖋️ The journey that led him from designing notification systems at a social media company to exploring the art and science of attention.📱 The dangers of smartphone addiction + practical questions as users that we can be asking ourselves📝 How he describes his work as a blend of poetry, standup comedy and storytelling💔 How he's found the courage to lean into painful experiences and get curious about heartbreak🦅 How his writing workshop on avoidance and imposter syndrome led to my publishing a short poetry book.🙋♂️ His experience and insights from leading men's groups and how this work has changed his life for the better***See Max in action // wordsthatmove.comConnect with Max on Twitter // @MaxStossel
1 hr 5 min
This is one HELL of an episode with honestly one of the most interesting and radical thinkers of our generation.Jamie is a renaissance man. He's well known for his work writing Stealing Fire and creating the Flow Genome Project—and as you'll hear in our conversation the book he has just published is unlike anything else you'll ever read.I see Jamie as being a bridge between the spiritual and the scientific. He's pioneering studies with Johns Hopkins and MAPS whilst wading deep into questions of how to we evolve and mature as humans or in his words—how do we "Stay awake. Build stuff. And help out."In this conversation which felt more like a science-fiction rhapsody we bounce around between:🤯 Why we're facing a new Meaning Crisis and the dangers of 'Rapture Ideologies'🧘♂️ The Hedonic Yoga of Becoming experiment he dreamt up and ran with after a conversation with Roland Grifiths at MAPS💔 We talk about grief and the real need for cultivating a culture of post-traumatic growth🎮 How he's planning on launching a post-modern religion in hyperspace taking the form of an alternate reality game called Y-ANON. Truly this has been one of my favourite and mind-bending conversations to date—if you enjoyed it please take a few moments to share on the socials, go out and buy his book Recapture the Rapture and start experimenting with some of the protocols and practices that he shares (Bonus points if you send Jamie a letter telling him what you’ve done!)***📚 Buy Jamie’s New Book // recapturetherapture.com🎙️ Listen to his 'HomeGrown Humans' podcast📸 Follow on IG // @flowgenome💌 Subscribe to the Flow Genome Newsletter
1 hr 49 min
Dr. Bill Plotkin is a depth psychologist, wilderness guide and visionary ecopsychologist—his work might well be the map that you didn't know you were looking for. It has been for me an immense treasure trove of practical wisdom and guidance for thinking about my own growth and maturity.At the end of our conversation, he shared that this was a book written for future generations—and I believe it may take decades before the importance of this body of work is fully understood.I hope that this conversation will play some role in spreading his ideas—and on that note, in this deep dive conversation we explore:🤓 His definition for what it means to be a genuine adult (and why he believes 80% of humanity are currently stuck in early-stage adolescence)🗺️ His map of the five stages of the descent to soul and the path to becoming a true elder🌎 His 'four facets of mind' as a unique framework for personal development a and cultivating human wholeness❤️ What he calls 'sacred wound work' a story of the weavings of the Native American Diné people🔥 What I consider my own mythopoetic identity to be based on an insight during a vision fast in Nepal🙋♂️ The big question that he would have liked to pose to Carl Jung❓ What it means for him to 'fill one's space with a question'🏫 His vision for this work to be put into practice by a global network of 'mystery schools'***Read Bill's book // The Journey of Soul InitiationGo Deeper // explore the upcoming Animas Offerings
1 hr 58 min
This seeds for this conversation were planted at the end of last year when I was listening to a podcast called ‘Hack Reality’ and Cris shared her phone number at the end of the episode—I sent her a voice memo about the Poet David Whyte... we since became good friends and when COVID hit she followed an intuitive hit to reach out and ended up living with us here in Oaxaca Mexico for a month.Cris has one of the most eclectic backgrounds you’ll come across. She went from founding a venture-backed AI fashion company, to hosting a podcast about the future of technology, and more recently has taken a left turn into the world of trauma healing and spent the better part of the last three years designing a card deck for exploring shadow emotions—which is about to launch on Kickstarter.So as I said, one hell of an eclectic background and as such our conversation dances around between:🔥 Insights from exploring the money stories and the rock bottom moment of having to shut down her company on short notice👣 Learning how to connect with her intuition following an assignment to follow her curiosity walking barefoot around San Francisco❤️ Her experiences working with MDMA and LSD-assisted therapyAnd then things go off the deep end and she talks about a kundalini awakening experience she had in an ancient Mayan Ruin, and about 52 minutes in Cris shares her roadmap and toolkit for people to begin with Shadow work, navigate existential crises and exploring the roots of their repressed emotions and the vision she has for her card deck being used as an Emotional Guidance System.🐉 I thoroughly encourage you to check-out the card deck Cris spent the last three years designing over on Kickstarter.Alright, that’s more than enough rambling from me. If you appreciate this conversation please do give Curious Humans a review on iTunes and share with someone else who you think might appreciate it.
1 hr 33 min
Arthur Worsley is a close friend of mine that I met in Bali where over many dinners together he educated me in the tactics for learning Bhasa, memorising my TEDx talk and really opened my eyes to the world of meta-learning that he has specialised in. Back in the day, he studied neurophysiology at Oxford in the UK and since became conversationally fluent in 8 languages and also applies his learning superpowers to things like ultra-marathon running and collecting wisdom from the crazy number of books he reads.In this wide-ranging conversation, we dive into the simultaneous devastating personal loss and financial gain that he received nearly a decade ago and how that was a catalyst for reinventing himself. He also walks me through how he thinks about procrastination and the four main causes of it, his approach for cultivating and tracking mindful metta moments and some thoughts on how his life may be altered by the child that he and his fiancé are expecting.📚 Read Arthur's book reviews, ongoing meta-learning insights, his habit tracker and (free) book on working less hard here: theartofliving.com
1 hr 1 min
Dr. Christian Busch directs the CGA Global Economy Program at (NYU) and teaches on purpose-driven business, entrepreneurship, emerging markets, and (social) innovation at NYU and at the London School of Economics (LSE). Christian is also the co-founder of Sandbox Network, a leading community of young innovators, as well as of Leaders on Purpose—an organization convening leading CEOs. He has a host of impressive accolades to his name, one of the Davos 50, an RSA fellow and frequently speaks at the World Economic Forum. He's also the author of a fascinating new book called 'The Serendipity Mindset' that we really dive into in this conversation.🎙️ In this wide-ranging conversation, we talk about what he learned from his near-death car accident at 17, his journey from economics lecturer to writing a book about cultivating smart luck, surefire ways of having dull conversations and some tangible suggestions for building the muscle of serendipity in one's own life.📚 You can say hi to Christian on Twitter @ChrisSerendip. And I strongly encourage you to get your mitts on a copy of Christian's new book 'The Serendipity Mindset'💌 Are you curious and also human? Signup for my monthly musings here >> jonny.life
1 hr 26 min
Casper Ter Kuile is one of the most genuinely joy-filled humans that I have had the pleasure of knowing.In this conversation we do a deep dive into his new book 'The Power of Ritual' which is out the day this episode airs, it’s honestly a perspective-shifting and heart-warmingly beautiful book on discovering the sacred amidst everyday life and seeing the world through the eyes of ritual. It's a real corker of a conversation! A few of the stories + questions we dive into are:⛪ Some of his early experiences as a climate activist that unexpectedly led him to Harvard Divinity School🙏 Redefining what it means for something to be 'sacred'⏳ Why he loves the powerful idea of liturgical time🤔 What he considers to be some of the enemies of ritual 📝 How to go about designing your own rituals amidst the lockdown.❤️ Rituals that we've both created to foster meaningful connection with our respective partners amidst the quarantine📆 How he has managed to create a secular sabbath for himself (and stick to it for over 4 years)🧙♂️ His favourite Harry Potter scene (this is unexpectedly powerful!)🎙️ The one lesson that he's taken away from working with the OnBeing team.***Where to find Casper on the interwebs Say hi to Casper on Twitter @CaspkerTK Join some of the virtual events Casper is leading Read 'How We Gather' for free online Join Casper's Newsletter (it's superb) 📚 Finally... I strongly encourage you to get your mitts on a copy of Casper's new book 'The Power of Ritual' 💌 Are you curious and also human? Signup for my monthly musings here >> jonny.life
1 hr 18 min
All I can say is that you're in for a treat with this conversation. Erick Godsey studies the myths that make us—he uses cognitive, evolutionary, and Jungian psychology to help people discover, articulate, and change the stories that rule their lives.Here is a mere smidge of the ground that we covered:💊 Erick's view on the broken system of Western medicine and why SSRIs and psychiatric drugs are no better than a placebo.🎭 His perspective on a psychological model called 'Internal Family Systems' that articulates the multitudes of characters within us all.🧙♂️ The Jungian book on mature masculine archetypes that changed his life and the way he shows up in relationship.😴 Why it's worth paying more attention to our dreams.📝 The journal prompt that he would prescribe to someone who is looking at the world in despair right now and feeling overwhelmed with the crises that are unfolding.🤔 Why no human is equipped with the biological apparatus to perceive the actual world, but that we create models that are useful to us.✊ The spiritual commitment he made to write morning pages for an hour every day after hitting rock bottom.❤️ His views on grief as the active process of digesting attachments to love.🖋️ The tragic beauty of the human condition—that we suffer so much more than we have to, because of the stories that we tell ourselves🐺 Why the ego is NOT the enemy, but more like a wolf (and how to join forces with it) Books & Blog Posts Referenced King, Warrior, Magican, Lover—the book we both read and loved on the four mature masculine archetypes. The Life-Changing Magic of Journaling—a must-read post by Erick for anyone wanting to go deeper into internal family systems, journaling practices and Jungian archetypes. Prometheus Unchained—a deep dive into how to share your highest gifts with the world.Where to find Erick G. on the interwebs 📸 Instagram @erickgodsey📝 Erick's Ten Blog Posts You Should Read 💌 Signup for his Feasting Fridays newsletter 🎙️ Listen to his Myths that Make us podcast💰 Support him on Patreon📚 See the books that changed his myth👨🎓 Join me and take his Make Your Myth online course 💌 Are you curious and also human? Signup for monthly musings here >> jonny.life
1 hr 22 min
This conversation is with a close friend of mine, Andi Cuddington—I think of her as a modern-day renaissance woman and I’ll typically turn to her for advice if I’m going through something challenging in my life. Andi is just endlessly curious and has a totally unique lens on the world as you’ll hear in our conversation. She has had a thousand side-hustles and jobs in her non-linear career but many of the dots have connected and she has found her calling designing and facilitating workshops—more than anyone else I've encountered, she has mastered of the art + science of workshop facilitation and we do a deep dive into some of her tips and suggestions as well as:✔️ Unexpected items on her "Apoco-list"🤔 How we’re both fuelled by the fear of boredom🌎 How backpacking in Africa shaped her future career trajectory🏔️ The intriguring connection between adventure and curiosity👨🎓 Tips for what makes an exceptional facilitation experience👩🏫 Superb advice for those dipping their toes into virtual workshop creation.🔑 Unlocking the genius in the room, one workshop at a time... and much more!–– ––🙋♂️ Learn more about Andi's facilitation superpowers here: andicuddington.com💌 Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life
1 hr 33 min
This was a wide-ranging conversation with emotional intelligence coach Emile Steenveld—previously an Australian model and actor traveling the globe for 12 years—he now works as a coach + facilitator, focusing on the inner workings of the relationship with the self and the mind.In this conversation we dive into:🇮🇳 Emile's travels in India, learning lessons of simplicity... defining joy as the happiness that doesn't depend on what happens.🦆 One of the most interesting tangents the topic of being a recovering perfectionist and what he calls duck syndrome💪 How to build the muscle of emotional intelligence🤷♂️ And some questions that have been running through my mind around Exploring new definitions of masculinity and how to express fully without fear of judgment.📝 Journal prompts that Emile uses when starting new projects.–– ––🔗 Find out more about Emile's work and coaching here.💌 Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life👨🎓 If our conversation resonates with you, I'm also running a masterclass with Studio D. in San Francisco on March 27—so if that sounds interesting check them out here: https://studiodradiodurans.com/products/emotional-resillience-masterclass
I talk with Andy Sparks, is the CEO at Holloway, they're building a new way to publish non-fiction books online (and it's gorgeous!) He's an incredibly genuine and self-aware human, it was a real pleasure spending time learning about his journey stepping into a position of leadership and forging his own path in life.Andy shares really dark moments early on in his career when he was trying to figure out where your sense of self comes from as a young person and figure out his place in the world.In this episode we also dive into:😦 What it was like making the decision to close his company (and how he navigated a deep depression that followed)🤣 The fun story behind his Calvin Hobbes tattoo👨🏭 Why getting an executive coach has been one of the most important things in his professional career🧰 Some powerful advice he received on how to build a support network from the founder of Masterclass👐 How he now aims to navigate conflict with his cofounder at Holloway🙋♂️ Taking responsibility for what we feel and why you don't have a choice about bring your kookiness and trauma to work🤓 We also nerd out on some of his leadership mental models and frameworks that he has gathered over the years of being a founder and CEO– –📚 Follow Andy's musings on Twitter @Sparkszilla // read his Medium essay on confidence or check Holloway (especially if you're a non-fiction writer).💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life👨🎓 If our conversation resonates with you, I'm also running a masterclass with Studio D. in San Francisco on March 27—so if that sounds interesting check them out here: https://studiodradiodurans.com/products/emotional-resillience-masterclass
1 hr 25 min
If you haven't already heard of Breathwork, I think it's fair to say that you that you likely will have by the end of the year. It's exploding in popularity, in the same way that yoga and meditation has over the last decade, and I think for good reason.On a basic level breathwork is the practice of changing your breathing pattern to shift your mental, emotional and physical state... but what I deeply appreciate about Edward is his clinical approach that is backed by years of training, endocrinology research and self-experimentation mapping out the human nervous system.The aim of this conversation was to create something of a comprehensive beginners guide to breathwork and some of the areas we dive into are: 🏂 Ed's personal journey from being trapped in an avalanche and nearly dying, which led him to being a highly functioning alcoholic and depressive.😬 His experiences curing anxiety through 1-1 breathwork sessions with his clients🌬️ Why our thinking is directly influenced by our breathing🗺️ How he has been able to map certain emotions onto specific breathing patterns. 🧙♂️ What he learnt from living with the Canadian Tribal Elders 🙋♂️ Some of my personal experiences lying on Ed's breathwork table📝 Defining capacity + resiliency from the perspective of the nervous system.😲 Some of the healing that he has witnessed in his time guiding sessions: from a man who relived and processed a near-drowning experience to stories of women who have been able to process experiences of sexual abuse.Links and Further Resources:📸 Follow @edwarddangerfield and @breathworkbali 🔗 Check out BreathworkBali.com📚 Ed's Breathwork book recommendations 🔖 My friend Conni's guide to breathwork resourcesEd's Upcoming Breathwork Practitioner Trainings are a 5 Day Training in Bali (Feb 15 – 21) and a 14 Day in-depth training in BC Canada (May 15 – June 1) I will be attending both myself!
1 hr 41 min
I'm speaking with Andrew J Taggart, a practical philosopher, Zen Buddhist, and entrepreneur urging us to wake up to what we have so far taken for granted. In this conversation we discuss the thesis of his Total Work Manifesto and why we use our work and productivity to fuel our sense of self-worth and create meaning in our lives, as well as his compelling ideas for how we might break out of this Total Work prison that he calls Way of Loss and the Way of Wonderment.I should also mention that about one and half hours in, I ask Andrew to imagine an all hands on deck academy, or ecology of practices designed to become whole and integrated humans. His answer is insightful but the day after our conversation he wrote up an extended reply which he has posted on his blog with the title 'A Tentative Curriculum For Psycho-technologies Of Self-transformation' (it's well worth a read!)Show Notes:👋 Say hello to Andrew on Twitter 📝Subscribe to Andrew's ongoing Total Work Manifesto on Substack 👀 Read Andrew's philosophical writing🖋️ Follow his emerging conversations over on letter.wiki💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here: jonny.life
1 hr 48 min
In this conversation we get into the meaty questions about his new book that's hitting the shelves this week called 'Why Are We Yelling', a whimsical and disarmingly powerful case and strategy guide for having what Buster calls productive disagreement.We cover three truths or misconceptions about arguments that you have uncovered, why he likes to eat knowledge, he coaches me through the process of engaging in a disagreement around climate change and we talk about some of the enemies of curiosity and what he calls the voice of possibility.Then towards the end we explore some fun ground around:📖 Why he's writing a 'Codex Vitae'🎈 His 100th birthday plans💀 What death-bed points are 📷 Why he took a photo at exactly 8.36pm every day for almost a decade.Check out Buster's New Book // Why Are We Yelling: The Art of Productive DisagreementBuster's Website // busterbenson.comBuster on Twitter // @buster Buster on Letter Wiki // Letter.Wiki💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life
1 hr 8 min
This was a real honour, Mike is trained as a magician and also the CEO at 'High Existence' — a community and network of practical philosophy and for expanding human consciousness — and he's one of the most articulate and poetic people I've had the pleasure of meeting.If we can't fall in love with the privilege that we have to be alive, then anything that we try and do from this place of living, is is going to be limited." Mike and I riff on definitions of wonder, ambition, grief, the role of inviting in the unexpected, the difference between purpose and destiny, and so much more.Get in touch with Mike on Twitter // where he cultivates wisdom & wonder @highexistence
1 hr 35 min
Anne-Laure is an ex-Googler, a talented writer and part-time neuroscience student. We bounce around between topics that resonated with me personally including: time anxiety, why we don't tend to take curiosity seriously as adults, a powerful technique for personal growth she's developed called 'Mindframing' and her recent decision to leave Google in order to go back to study neuroscience at Kings in London.Find Anne-Laure on Twitter, read her articles on Ness Labs or sign-up for her Maker Mind newsletter.
39 min 53 sec
I've been listening to Cory's podcast the Astral Hustle for years now so had so much fun being on the other end of the line and digging into his fascinating mind—he has an amazing gift for walking a line between being ridiculous and playful yet also filled with deep insights and practical tips on mindfulness.We didn't have time to cover it in this episode but Cory has a background in music and also produces Binaural Beats, which I've been using daily for the last few months to both meditate and focus at work – and you can find these as well as the lowdown on his new book 'Now is the Way' – which is available from today at nowistheway.com 📚This was another of those conversations that just lit me up 🔥it felt like the time flew by but we bounced between the role of humour in spiritual exploration and the 'upside of impermanence' to some of the more practical aspects meditation, how it changes the way we experience the world and how we can get out of our own way to risk being more human."The fragments of the self that are shattered you know the different pieces of you that exist within they’re the broken pieces of the mirror that been through the meditation or through creating the space they have the space to start to reconnect into one singular piece of mirror of yourself so that you can look into it and quote-unquote reflect and then begin to understand what you are and then begin to author your future." – Cory Allen***📝Read the full transcript with Cory here.📚Cory's new book 'Now is the Way' is officially out today and I would thoroughly encourage you all to head over to nowistheway.com and add it to your respective reading lists. 💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >>jonny.life
1 hr 9 min
🙌I’ve probably said this before, but this feels like my favourite conversation on the podcast so far.⏰ I woke up at 5am to take the call because of time-zone differences, but by the end I was practically bouncing off the walls with enthusiasm.📝 Tiago is one of the deepest thinkers of anyone that I follow online, he’s a prolific writer, productivity coach and as you’ll hear in this conversation has built his business to fuel his own relentless curiosity.🍄 You wouldn’t imagine that productivity systems and psychedelics usually pair well in a conversation, but it turns out they do! 🏫Tiago also shares some powerful personal stories relating to his experiences using breathwork to process anger, how he is learning to tap into his intuition and a vision that came to him for building a school for future in Brazil.📝View the transcript of the episode here.🔗Links and resources mentioned:+ The home of Tiago's writing 👉 Forte Labs+ The online course we dive into 👉 Building a Second Brain+ Follow Tiago on Twitter💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life
49 min 1 sec
This was one of those spontaneous conversations that made me feel grateful for having started a podcast... it was with NASA astronomer Kevin Hainline, recorded sitting next to a stream up in the Spanish pyrenees. We went completely off the deep end and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that he changed the way I look up at the night sky and sent me into a rabbit hole of researching how different cultures around the world tell stories about the constellations they see. 🦖When Kevin was young he had to choose between dedicating his life to studying dinosaurs or black holes. He chose black holes (although dinosaurs are still very near to his heart).🍃The surprising reason behind why we have seasons...🌟Why for Kevin: "The stars are like friends. They comfort me."🔭How astronomy helps you as a lens to understand yourself and why people should choose a way in which they want to look at the stars.📚Kevin's personal mission to communicate how important it is that we live in a diverse and interesting and weird world and to celebrate that.Listener Question >> “What are some of the gateways to awe and wonder for you in the world?”Find Kevin on the Interwebs+ Twitter @kevin_hainline+ His new video series The Stars Connect Us on YouTubeShow Notes:+ Full Transcript on Medium+ The Explorer Book+ The Exploratorium in San Francisco, a temple to curiosity.+ Infinite Games by James Carse + DK Encyclopedia homepage💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life
53 min 34 sec
Our future is in good hands... it's the 'grown-ups' that have the catching up to do!📷 Follow Hanalei on Instagram @Hanaleiswan👚 Check out her conscious fashion designs at http://hanaleiswan.com💌Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life
36 min 54 sec
🏄♂️Fergal Smith is a big-wave surfer and pioneering farmer, two words that don't often go in the same sentence. 👨🌾He juggles his time between growing veg and paddling into 30ft slabs of Atlantic ocean swells! I spent a couple of days helping out at Moy Hill, getting my hands in the soil and helping the team fill their 90x veg boxes to be sent out that week.🌳 What I hope comes across in the conversation is Ferg's eloquent sincerity, the courage that it took and his vision to inspire a new generation of 'growers' and planting seeds for future generations (they’ve already planted 18,000 trees!)❓Listener Question >> “What are some ways that you've found to reconnect with the food you eat?"Learn more about the Moy Hill project and how you can get involved at moyhillfarm.com or follow their growing adventures on Instagram @moyhillfarm.Be notified about new episodes and receive the Curious Humans newsletter here >> jonny.life
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Joel Levey was one of the first pioneers of mindfulness training back in the 70s, along with his partner Michelle, they worked with Google and NASA and co-designed a secret 'Jedi Warrior' program for the US elite special forces... in this conversation we touch on:🤔His thoughts on how to be curious in the face of suffering.👤 Why he chose to embark on a year of silence with his partner Michelle. 🙏 Advice that received from the His Holiness the Dalai Lama.❓Listener Question >> “How could you bring more mindful moments into your daily routine?” Joel Levey is respected for being among the very first professionals to introduce the principles and practices of mindfulness and mind-fitness training, interpersonal neurobiology, collective wisdom, deep systems thinking, and contemplative science into mainstream business, medicine, high-education, sports, and government arenas – having begun this work in the 70s.Learn more about the Levey's work at: http://wisdomatwork.comExplore their upcoming Learning Expedition: http://learningexpedition.work/
1 hr 8 min
🌳 Dan has worked with some of the most innovative and inspiring brands, kickstarted a global movement to reconnect kids with nature, founded and built a global creative generosity network and guest lectures on Co-Creating the Emerging Future. 🎧 Oh and he’s also a former club DJ, as well as a trail running surf-loving dad! I was so grateful for the long walks and meandering conversations we shared in Portugal, Dan’s enthusiasm for life is contagious and he’s someone who believes in the extraordinary possibilities for the future 🌎 ❓ Listener Question: What are some of your favourite ways to 'Rewild Yourself'?Find out more about Dan on his website: danburgess.earth or say hi on Twitter @dansolos. 💌Curious Humans NewsletterIf you’re not already subscribed you can also sign-up for my free monthly curious humans newsletter by going to jonny.life and also get monthly nuggets of brain food that I’ve found in the corners of the internet.🎵Musical CreditsThanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.
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Anna Starkey is a genuine 21st century renaissance woman! In this wide-ranging conversation with dig into:👨🎓 From lecturing on antimatter and working as the 'director of impossible projects' to performing stand-up comedy sketches...🎙️ producing live arts shows for global cinema and gracing the TED stage with her talk: 'Do Not Press the Big Red Button'... her life is a testament to embracing curiosity as a career path!👩🚀We dive deep into her zig-zag career (which begun with her dream of being an astronaut), the latest research on curiosity as 'the knowledge emotion' and waxing lyrical on her current mission of ushering in a new age of curiosity!Listener Question >> “What are some of the enemies to curiosity in your life – and how might we nudge others to take it more seriously?”***Follow Anna on Twitter @annastarkey – find out about more of her work at outofyourmind.london and check out wethecurious.org to learn more about the incredible Bristol-based museum.💌Curious Humans NewsletterIf you’re not already subscribed you can also sign-up for my free monthly curious humans newsletter by going to jonny.life and also get monthly nuggets of brain food that I’ve found in the corners of the internet.🎵Musical CreditsThanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.
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I sat down with Austin in Portland, Oregon and we dive into some of his experience at the fascinating Wayfinding Academy. Hearing his vulnerable story gave me hope.We talk about the courage required to step outside the curiosity-crippling traditional system into what he called the 'space between stories' and develop new worldviews. I found it inspiring to see the path that he has now found which feels more aligned with the human he aspires to become.📝Show Notes:🏫 I thoroughly recommend that you check out Wayfinding Academy in Portland & their manifesto📷 Follow Austin's creative adventures on Instagram @AustinLouis_❓Listener Question >> “What subjects might you include in a curriculum that was fit for the future?” Tag @jonnym1ller on Twitter or Instagram.💌Curious Humans Newsletter >> If you’re not already subscribed you can also sign-up for my free monthly curious humans newsletter by going to jonny.life and also get monthly nuggets of brain food that I’ve found in the corners of the internet.🎵Musical Credits >> Thanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.
48 min 24 sec
Leo Babauta is the prolific writer of Zen Habits who is joining me from the distant island of Guam 7,400 miles away. Here are a few tasters for what to expect in this wide-ranging conversation:😨 How Zen Habits evolved into his mission to help others push into their uncertainty.👨🎓 How Leo unschooled and de-programmed his kids to facilitate their own natural state of curiosity.🚀 Leo's compelling case for why a fully-optimised life would actually suck and risks being the most controlled boring thing possible.💪 Developing and training 'radical curiosity' to dive inwards even when you don't like what you're seeing—how to hold the pose when you're entire body wants to shut down and run.🤼 What he's learned about learning and his no-holds-barred debate with Tim Ferriss on the idea of abandoning goals.🧘♂️ The incredible Zen Habits origin story – his path from being in debt, overweight, a smoker and feeling miserable to escaping debt, gaining a following of over a million readers, publishing books on habit-change, finding joy and even running an ultra-marathon!***📝 Read the Full Transcript here over on Medium❓Listener Question >> “How do you feel about the balance between achievement and appreciation?” Tag @jonnym1ller on Twitter or Instagram.***🙏 Join Leo's new Fearless Academy and support his mission.👨🎓 Learn more about his Sea Change Habit Academy🖋️ Join over 2 million readers of Leo's Zen Habits🐦 Find Leo on Twitter @Zen_Habits***💌Curious Humans NewsletterIf you’re not already subscribed you can also sign-up for my free monthly curious humans newsletter by going to jonny.life and also get monthly nuggets of brain food that I’ve found in the corners of the internet.🎵Musical CreditsThanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.
1 hr 16 min
There are maybe a handful to times in your life where you discover a book, that you want to keep by your bedside for the rest of your life. And for me that book is David's ‘Consolations’. It ratcheted open my mind to a whole new perspective on the definitions of words like Ambition, Courage and Heartbreak, that I thought I previously understood.I’m not sure how to even begin to describe exactly what it is that David does. On paper he's an acclaimed poet, a writer and a philosopher. But to my mind, after having recently spent a magical week with him on the Irish Atlantic coastline, I feel like he's a true elder, with a deep philosophical curiosity and gift for weaving together our inner and outer worlds in what he calls 'the conversational nature of reality’. We recorded this conversation, in David's cottage by a roaring fire. You can probably hear how nervous I felt, especially early in the first few minutes. But what I really hope comes across, is the way that David’s voice casts a spell of sorts that puts those listening (myself included) into a state of reverie and complete undiluted attention.It’s a wide-ranging conversation and towards the end we cover some really interesting ground on the questions he believes we’re living our way into as a society, and how Trump is a representation of everything that is wrong with the masculine picture of an immature boy that has never grown fully into the world. ❓Listener Question >> "Do you have a favourite poem that you carry with you? How has poetry shaped your life?” Tag @jonnym1ller on Twitter or Instagram.📝 Show Notes+ Read the full transcript (with my photos of Ireland) over on Medium📚 Explore David's work:+ Follow David on Twitter or Facebook+ Read 'The Bell & The Blackbird'.+ Apply for one of David's upcoming walking tours in Ireland, the Lake District, Tuscany & New Zealand+ Watch David's TED Talk 'A lyrical bridge between past, present and future'+ Find out everything else David is up to at davidwhyte.com💌Curious Humans NewsletterIf you’re not already subscribed you can also sign-up for my free monthly curious humans newsletter by going to jonny.life and also get monthly nuggets of brain food that I’ve found in the corners of the internet.🎵Musical CreditsThanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.
39 min 54 sec
Karina Guthrie is a yoga teacher at The Practice with a background in academia studying psychology and philosophy. We covered a lot of ground, touching on:📚 why her parents would confiscate abridged books from her as a child and the book she would love to write one day.🏫 the story of how she left a career in academia to follow her curiosity in the yoga world🧘♀️ the importance of becoming more Kinaesthetically literate in the 21st century📖 the difference between knowledge and lived wisdom❤️ favourite untranslatable words💫 thoughts on yoga as a spiritual technology for re-connecting us with the 'bigness of the universe’ and all that which takes us beyond ourselves.❓Listener Question >> “What is the project or creative endeavour that you’ve been putting off – and what might be a way to start it before you feel totally ready?”You can follow her bombshells of wisdom & thoughtful yogic musings @karina.guthrie on Instagram.Say hi on Twitter or sign-up for the Curious Humans Newsletter.
1 hr 1 min
I truly believe that CURIOSITY is the birthplace of knowledge and creativity… it’s a gateway to awe & wonder – for the world around us— allowing us to experience the familiar, as if for the first time. It has been called the insight emotion, the key to life-long learning and recent studies have even cited it as the antidote to anxiety & depression.–––If we’re all born with this innate sense of curiosity, why do most of us lose touch with it in our teenage years? I know that in my own life, I felt like my experiences at school nearly crushed many of my interests... And in our productivity obsessed culture I struggle to justify investing time or money into something that doesn’t have a defined outcome... –––So really this podcast is a personal journey to turn the lens of curiosity back on itself, to find out how courageous humans have dared to take it more seriously and exploring insights that the rest of us can learn from their journeys.–––In Season One you can expect fireside conversations with the TED speaker and poet David Whyte, you’ll learn how astronomy is a lens for understanding yourself with a NASA researcher Kevin Hainline, how Yoga can be a technology for cultivating better humans with Karina Guthrie, and thoughts on curiosity from 12 year old conscious fashion designer Hanalei Swan.–––Each guest will share a beautiful and mind-expanding question for you to take with you on your own adventures hopefully leaving you a little bit more curious than you were before.–––If you like the sound of all this... it would mean a lot to me if you can take 15 seconds to open up whichever app you listen to podcasts on and give Curious Humans a 5 star review and share this trailer with fellow curious humans.–––💌Subscribe to the monthly Curious Humans Newsletter 👋Say hi on Twitter
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