Typology

Ian Morgan Cron

Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we’ll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.

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We all have stories that we tell ourselves and others about who we are and how we think the world works. Our daily behaviors and habits follow suit. Part of changing our automatic behaviors is by interrogating and changing the stories that no longer serve us.  Today’s guest, writer James Clear, joins me to talk about how he became the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller, Atomic Habits, and delves into the relationship between personality styles and habits.  In this episode we: Explore what sparked his interest in the topic of habits Identify the 4 actionable steps to breaking bad habits and building new ones Take a practical look into the four laws of behavior change James is a regular speaker at Fortune 500 companies and his work has been featured in places like Time magazine, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and on CBS This Morning. His popular “3-2-1” email newsletter is sent out each week to more than 1 million subscribers.

Dec 2

54 min 49 sec

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself, “What if the story I tell myself and others about who I am and who I'm becoming isn't true?”  As children, we all construct stories, or narratives, to help make sense of our environment. These childhood interpretations set in motion the patterns of behavior that shape our personality…or how we show up for life.  But, when you can understand the false story around which you have organized your life, then you can begin to play with that story a bit to find your true story. And, though you can’t change the facts of what has happened in your life, you can change the way you interpret them.   The truth is, that if you want to experience enduring transformation, you have to discover your false story, decouple yourself from it and begin to live the truth of your new story. In today’s episode, we’ll walk through the false “stories” that each Enneagram type needs to let go of in order to allow your true self to emerge.  

Nov 25

37 min 26 sec

CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist, Kirsten Powers, is back to talk about her new book, Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People who Drive You Nuts. We explore her journey of moving from an unhealthy Eight—full of judgment, shaming, and blaming—to a healthy Eight with the capacity to extend grace towards those who hold opposing views without sacrificing her values and passionate beliefs.  In this episode, Kirsten walks us through the tools we can all use to become less enraged and more gracious people in the world. She shares her insights into: What grace is and what it isn't Setting boundaries to show others how to be in a relationship with you Learning how to have healthy conflict Developing humility to cultivate more empathy for others Seeing the humanity of others even when opinions clash This conversation is not just for Eights; it's for all of us. It's a master class in better relating to those we disagree with while embodying the best expression ourselves.  

Nov 18

51 min 52 sec

Alice and Bob Fryling join me for a wonderful conversation about aging together faithfully. This show is for people of all ages as we talk about better understanding and relating to our older friends, family members, and coworkers.  We also explore their knowledge of the Enneagram. Both Bob and Alice provide deep insights into how they navigate their differences throughout their 50 years of marriage, ways they support each other and work with the Enneagram to uncover their blindspots, and walking through challenging spaces as they grow older together.

Nov 11

1 hr 1 min

The Enneagram tells us that there are nine basic personality types, one of which we each gravitate towards in childhood.  But if you dig a little deeper, each type actually has three instinctual variants called subtypes that help explain why people of the same type can look so different.  For each type, there is the self-preservation subtype, social subtype, and the one-to-one subtype. Today’s guest, former journalist Kayla Craig, joins me in a conversation about how understanding her subtype as a social Eight has illuminated different aspects of her personality and influenced her interactions with her family and others.  She provides wonderful insight into her relationship with emotions and what the soul of an Eight looks like. We also explore: the distinctive characteristics of the social Eight subtype vs. the self-preservation and one-to-one subtypes why social Eights can be mistyped as Enneagram Twos, and the transformational journey for Eights This episode is chock full of wisdom. You're going to love it!

Nov 4

37 min 15 sec

John Driver is an award-winning writer and collaborator of more than twenty-five books.  In our conversation, we explore how understanding himself through the lens of the counterphobic Six has impacted his relationships with others, his work in ministry, and his writing. We also discuss his new book, Not So Black and White: An invitation to honest conversations about race and faith.  He shares how being a counterphobic Six impacted the writing of his book, why it’s so important to open the doors to honest and engaging conversations about race and faith, and touches on whether the Enneagram can help inform the conversation around racism.  A former teacher with a history degree from the University of Tennessee, John lives near Nashville with his wife, Laura, and their daughter, Sadie. He serves as the executive and teaching pastor at The Church at Pleasant Grove and hosts the weekly podcast Talk About That.

Oct 28

49 min 16 sec

I receive so many questions from our listeners via email and social media that I don’t get to respond to them all. But I want you to know I’m paying attention!  So, this week, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions for me to answer. This time I share a few tips for parenting an Enneagram 4, introduce the concept of Enneagram harmonic groups, and explore the similarities and distinctions between Types 1 and 3. Tune in to hear our discussion on these topics, plus a few more.  And for a chance to have your questions answered on-air, leave us a comment on social or email us at typology@ianmorgancron.com.

Oct 21

27 min 51 sec

How has your past uniquely prepared you to experience more joy? Dr. Dan Allender and I explore this question today in an insightful conversation about healing the heart from trauma, rewriting the broken stories we adopt as children and the overlap with the Enneagram.   Professor of counseling psychology at The Seattle School and founder of The Allender Center, Dr. Dan Allender has pioneered a unique therapy centered around his innovative theory and training in transforming betrayal, ambivalence, and powerlessness into faith, hope, and love. He’s a popular podcaster on The Allender Center Podcast and the author of Healing the Wondered Heart, The Wounded Heart, The Healing Path, To Be Told and God Loves Sex, and Redeeming Heartache: How Past Suffering Reveals Our True Calling. Learn more about Dr. Allender at https://theallendercenter.org or follow him @allendercenter on Facebook and Instagram.

Oct 14

1 hr 4 min

We’ve got another great guest for you today.  Amy Porterfield, host of the top-ranked podcast, Online Marketing Made Easy, joins me for an insightful conversation about using the Enneagram to illuminate certain aspects of her personality, the benefits of using the Enneagram in the workplace, and how understanding your blindspots fosters empathy and compassion for others.  In this episode, we also cover:  The subtypes of an Enneagram Two,  The gifts of self-awareness, and How she performs under stress Amy is known for teaching business owners, educators, and entrepreneurs the profitable strategies and action steps for building a highly engaged email list, creating online training courses, and using online marketing strategies to sell with ease. Learn more about Amy by visiting https://www.amyporterfield.com or following her on Instagram. 

Oct 7

43 min 29 sec

New York Times bestselling author Jon Acuff joins me for an in-depth conversation about the power of our thoughts, the harmful effects of overthinking, and the importance of changing our negative, repetitive thoughts into positive soundtracks.  In this episode, Jon: Shares valuable insights into the mind of an Enneagram 7 Identifies the top 3 negative thoughts he’s still working on  Lists the top 10 hits for popular broken soundtracks, and  Outlines 3 questions to ask yourself to change your thinking ABOUT JON ACUFF Jon Acuff is the New York Times bestselling author of seven books, including his most recent Wall Street Journal #1 bestseller, Finish: Give Yourself the Gift of Done. He's an INC Magazine Top 100 Leadership speaker and has spoken to hundreds of thousands of people at conferences and companies around the world including FedEx, Nissan, Microsoft, Lockheed Martin, Chick-fil-A, Nokia and Comedy Central.  His large and highly engaged social media following includes nearly 300,000 Twitter followers, more than 187,000 Facebook followers, more than 125,000 Instagram followers, and more than 90,000 email subscribers who look to him for his unique blend of humor, honesty, and hope. He lives outside of Nashville, Tennessee, with his wife and two teenage daughters. His latest book, Soundtracks, was released in April 2021 and is already a bestseller. 

Sep 30

1 hr 8 min

This week pastor, speaker, and bestselling author, Max Lucado and his wife Denalyn join me to talk about Max’s new book, You Were Made for This Moment: Courage for Today and Hope for Tomorrow. We discuss how each of us is created specifically for this moment in time and dig into the nuances of the Enneagram.  In this episode, we explore: How the Enneagram has had helped them better understand each other and their children  The differences between an Enneagram 3 and an Enneagram 9 What it means to live into what we are made for Max Lucado is a pastor, speaker, and bestselling author who, in his own words, “writes books for people who don’t read books.” His newest book, You Were Made for This Moment: Courage for Today and Hope for Tomorrow is a relevant and timely release for a society still reeling from racial divides, political strife, and a global pandemic.  He encourages others to live fully in the grace and love of God, to step out in bold courage and faith, and to trust God for victory over all injustices. As a writer, Max is known for combining poetic storytelling and homespun humor with the heart of a pastor.

Sep 23

55 min 41 sec

Overworked? Overwhelmed? Overcommitted?  How do you balance your time, energy, and priorities to build the life you want? Today’s guest, Carey Nieuwhof returns to Typology to share the strategy that works for him (and countless others) to set a new, sustainable pace for thriving tomorrow.   Carey explains what the Stress Cycle and Thrive Cycle look like, and how to use the Energy Clock as a roadmap for escaping burnout.  Not only do we discuss Carey’s new book, At Your Best, but we kick off our conversation with a brief typing interview to help distinguish between the overlap of types 3 and 8.  Watch now on YouTube or listen on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.  P.S. Love Typology? Leave us a review on Apple to help others find our show!

Sep 16

1 hr

Let’s face it...people are complicated. Our personalities are shaped by multiple factors, including temperament, character, environment, and life experiences. But when we dig in and really learn to understand ourselves better, we not only connect with others with more kindness and empathy, but we begin to see the beauty that arises when we live as our true selves. Today’s guest, Taylor Tippett is a great example of how this plays out.  Taylor is a flight attendant nationally known for leaving random notes of kindness on airplanes to make people’s day. She joins me in an open conversation about how the Enneagram has helped her love herself better and the impact it has had on her personal journey of growth.    In this conversation, you’ll discover:  how codependency can show up for an Enneagram 7 ways anxiety and control can influence our personalities, and  the importance of showing up just as we are We also make a special announcement today you won’t want to miss!   Watch now on YouTube or listen on your favorite podcast player.  P.S. Love Typology? Leave us a review on Apple to help others find our show!

Sep 9

46 min 27 sec

Joy and sorrow can coexist. But how do you live within the intersection of the two?  KJ Ramsey, Enneagram 4w5 and Author of This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers, joins me for a vulnerable conversation about suffering and faith, the tension between joy and sorrow, and finding redemption when we learn to truly live in the middle.   K.J. Ramsey is a licensed therapist, writer, and recovering idealist who believes sorrow and joy coexist. Her writing has been published in The Huffington Post, Health Central, Catalyst, and Fathom Magazine on the integration of theology, psychology, and spiritual formation. She and her husband live in Denver, Colorado. Follow K.J.'s writing at kjramsey.com and across social media at @kjramseywrites.

Sep 2

1 hr

To surrender is to accept what is...and until you surrender, you can’t find healing. In today’s episode, author Rebekah Lyons joins me to talk about the power of acceptance, using your time and energy to live a life of intention, and cultivating a space that allows you to embrace what is.  Throughout our conversation we cover: What it truly means to surrender Daily practices to open yourself to acceptance Tools for managing anxiety and fostering joy   Rebekah Lyons is the author of A Surrendered Yes, Rhythms of Renewal and Freefall to Fly. She is a mother of four, wife of one, and dog walker of two living in Nashville. An old soul with a contemporary, honest voice, Rebekah reveals her own battles to overcome anxiety, depression, and consumer impulses. Finding joy in raising two special needs children—she invites everyone to embrace the unique calling God has for each of us. Rebekah wears her heart on her sleeve, a benefit to friends and readers alike. Alongside her husband, Gabe, Rebekah serves as co-founder of Q Ideas, an organization that equips Christians on how to winsomely engage culture. Her favorite hours are spent with her nose in a book and a discriminating cup of coffee in hand.

Aug 26

56 min 29 sec

How do you stop meeting the expectations and pressures of others and start living your life the way you want? In this empowering conversation, author Allie Casazza shares the importance of challenging the beliefs you grew up with and aligning your environment with your new story. In today’s episode we talk about: Why she stopped cleaning up after her life and instead began living it.  The toxic nature of self-suppression and self-betrayal. How the Enneagram helped her reclaim her true self.  Allie Casazza is an author and businesswoman who empowers other women to take control of their own lives and start living lighter. She’s been featured on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Scary Mommy, and The New York Times.  She hosts the popular podcast The Purpose Show and her new book Declutter Like a Mother: A Guilt-Free, No Stress Way to Transform Your Home and Life drops on September 7.    

Aug 19

58 min 9 sec

Loneliness. Brokenness. The desire to belong. These are feelings we all share.  But how do these emotions inhibit you from living as your most authentic self? So often we forget that true belonging can only arise when we “accept that brokenness is beautiful” and embrace our own story. That’s where the true treasure lies.  This week, Bonnie Gray and I talk about finding identity in a culture of loneliness, making peace with her difficult past, and the transformation she’s experienced by embracing the narrative she ran away from for so long. We explore her journey of self-discovery and end up challenging Bonnie to be curious about whether or not she’s truly an Enneagram 7.

Aug 12

48 min 16 sec

In the studio today, we welcome Joshua Fields Millburn and Ryan Nicodemus of The Minimalists.   They've been featured in New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, and of course, they have their own podcast. Their popular documentaries Minimalism and Less is Now are featured on Netflix and now they’ve got a brand new book that you have got to read.  We have a great conversation about clearing the clutter to make room for what’s actually important and how understanding your Enneagram type ties into their philosophy on minimalism.  You’re going to love this show.

Aug 5

1 hr 8 min

Wouldn’t it be great if you had an arsenal of conversation starters for the young adults in your life?  Today’s guest, Dr. Kara E. Powell joins me for an important conversation on how to best communicate with teenagers and young adults.  We explore the 3 pivotal questions to ask young adults and share strategies for developing better, more life-giving answers to those questions.  In their new book, Dr. Kara Powell and Brad Griffin offer 300 conversation starters and connection ideas that are crucial not only for young people to be able to answer but also for our own development and personal growth as adults. Listen as we weave the role of the Enneagram throughout the conversation then share this episode with your friends and family. And as a special offer, visit https://3bigquestionsbook.com/typology to get 40 additional conversation starters PLUS a free chapter of 3 Big Questions to help better connect with teenagers and young adults.    

Jul 29

48 min 56 sec

We’ve got another great guest today.  Darren Tyler is the Founder of Conduit Church of Franklin, TN. Conduit Church has been the vehicle of generosity to people in Asia, Africa and The Americas...drilling wells, building schools and clinics, and freeing slaves.  He’s an Enneagram savvy Five who not only uses the Enneagram in his organization building his team, but has integrated his knowledge into his personal life to strengthen his relationships with his friends and family.  We share a rich conversation about how the Enneagram has helped shape his team as well as how it has opened his eyes to the importance of connecting to his feelings in order to better love and care for his wife and children.  We also uncover the hidden fears of the Five and explore the importance of balancing the three centers of intelligence.  There are a lot of great insights in this episode.  So whether you are a five, you love a five, or you work with a five, take a listen and let us know your favorite takeaways.

Jul 22

1 hr 4 min

With over 40 years in law enforcement, Mike Alexander, MA, C.I.S.M. is a principal partner at LION Strategy Group which focuses on leadership development, healthy work environments, officer wellness, ethics, and emotional intelligence.  He also sits on the Board of the Enneagram Narrative Tradition and brings his knowledge to organizations and law enforcement agencies across the U.S.  This conversation with Mike is chock-full of wisdom and incredible insight about somatic work, the vacillation between phobic and counterphobic, and what it means to truly discover our whole self and capitalize on the great gifts we each bring to the table.  Not only do we discuss the importance of workforce behavioral interventions and the role self-awareness plays in building healthy relationships with employees or coworkers, but he also describes how the Enneagram saved his life and marriage.

Jul 15

53 min 43 sec

We received such a great response from all of you after our last mailbag episode, that we’re doing it again! Today, Anthony pulls a few more audience questions from the bag for me to answer. If you love what you’re hearing from the mail bag, you can experience Q&A with me LIVE on our next Town Hall for Typology Institute members. Members get to ask their questions live and the answers end up facilitating great follow up conversations that we just can’t do on this show.  It's truly a great time!   If you’d like to join the next Town Hall, just visit typologyinstitute.com/membership to sign up.

Jul 8

25 min 46 sec

Whether you’ve known your type for years or just can’t seem to nail it down, typing is not always easy. The Enneagram can be complicated and really uncovers the complexities of the human personality.   Today’s guest, actress, producer, and director Brooklyn Sudano joins me for a fun and revealing conversation about her struggle to identify her type.  So, we spend the whole show trying to tease out her type.   You’ll hear the kind of conversation that can happen when someone is struggling to figure out their type and how phrasing specific questions can help in the typing process.    Brooklyn Sudano is an American Actress, vocalist, producer and director, from Los Angeles, California.  She can currently be seen in season 1 of the series Cruel Summer, Freeform’s dramatic series chronicling the chilling story of a girl who vanishes and another who mysteriously takes over her life.  Brooklyn starred opposite Clive Standen and Jennifer Beals in NBC’s Taken, a series adaptation of the film franchise.  She has also appeared in HBO’s Ballers opposite Dwayne Johnson and Andy Garcia; Hulu’s miniseries 11.22.63 opposite James Franco and Chris Cooper; and the Lifetime Original Movie, With This Ring opposite Regina Hall, Jill Scott, and Eve. Brooklyn made her television debut as Vanessa on the ABC sitcom, My Wife and Kids and has subsequently made numerous guest starring appearances on shows like CSI: NY, Without A Trace, Body of Proof, S#*! My Dad Says and 90210.  Her film credits include 5 Star Day, Crew 2 Crew, Sinners & Saints, Alone in the Dark 2, Rain and Somebody Help Me. Possessing star qualities that are apparent both on and off-screen, Brooklyn is the daughter of the legendary Donna Summer and singer-song-writer, Bruce Sudano, and sister of Amanda Sudano Ramirez of the music duo Johnnyswim.

Jul 1

1 hr 12 min

What does it look like when a young entrepreneur discovers his Enneagram type and commits to doing his work and encourages his team to do the same? Today’s guest, co-founder of New Story Charity, Brett Hagler gives a clear picture of how powerful the Enneagram is as a tool for self-growth.  In this episode you learn: How self-awareness positively impacts leadership   What the difference is between a spiritual director and a therapist The gradation of wings and why you should bring them into balance And, you’ll hear how establishing his own rules of life helps keep Brett focused on what matters most while still making a huge impact in the world. You can find more on Brett and New Story here.  

Jun 24

51 min 47 sec

This week, Former Governor of Tennessee, Bill Haslam returns to the show.  This time we talk about his new book, The Promise and the Peril of Faith in the Public Square, turning his attention inward to matters of the soul since his term ended, and what he’s learning about himself as an Enneagram 3.   Bill Haslam is the former two-term mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, and former two-term governor of Tennessee, reelected in 2014 with the largest victory margin of any gubernatorial election in Tennessee history. During his tenure, Tennessee became the fastest improving state in the country in K-12 education and the first state to provide free community college or technical school for all of its citizens, in addition to adding 475,000 net new jobs. Haslam serves on the boards of Teach for America and Young Life. In the fall of 2019, Haslam became a visiting professor of political science at Vanderbilt University. He and his wife of thirty-eight years, Crissy, have three children and nine grandchildren.

Jun 17

57 min 20 sec

“Mental health is health. We all have it. We can ignore it. We can mistreat it. We can take care of it. No matter what though, we can't deny that it exists.” This was Ryan Casey Waller’s response when I asked about his new book, “Depression, Anxiety, and Other Things We Don’t Want to Talk About.” This opened the door to a great, shame-free discussion about mental health and overcoming the stigma that often goes along with it.   Ryan Casey Waller is a psychotherapist, pastor, lawyer, and, according to his book, a co-sufferer.  In this episode we explore the: Experience that triggered his own journey towards healing Importance of mental health and seeking help when it is needed How he’s using the self-knowledge gained from the Enneagram to manage his own mental health. My hope is that this episode will highlight how complex each of us is, how our needs and desires differ, and why it’s important to avail ourselves of the multitude of resources available for healing.

Jun 10

55 min 36 sec

Today, I'm answering a few carryover questions from our monthly Typology Institute Membership Town Hall.   Each month I host a live Town Hall for members where we go beyond Q&A because members get to ask their questions live and the answers end up facilitating great follow up conversations that we just can’t do on this show.  It's truly a great time!  So, I pulled a few questions to share with you this week to give you a peek. If you’d like to join the next Town Hall, just visit typologyinstitute.com/membership to sign up. We’ll send you the link.

Jun 3

33 min 26 sec

This week’s amazing guest, Emily Ley, is the Founder of Simplified, a brand of planners and organizational tools for busy women. She's been featured in Forbes, Family Circle, Better Homes and Gardens, Glamour, and Good Housekeeping. She is also a national bestselling author of many books, including her latest, Growing Boldly: Dare to Build a Life You Love.  As an Enneagram Two, she’s doing her work to make positive changes in her professional and personal life.  We talk about her new journey in therapy, what it means to be a two and a leader in the corporate field, why she no longer keeps score at home, and even dig into the core struggle of the two...that need to be liked.  So, whether you are a Two, work with a Two, or love a Two, this episode covers a lot of ground and will open your eyes to the way a Two views the world.

May 27

52 min 16 sec

Enneagram Nines appear to be so uncomplicated, and yet they’re actually very complicated.  Enneagram Nines share a tendency to be other-referencing or more tuned in to what’s going on in the outside than they are tuned into what’s going on inside. They have a tendency to want to create harmony in their environment, and avoid conflict. They have a unique sensitivity to tension and conflict that they want to prevent or avoid altogether. So, I asked Beatrice Chestnut to join me to go deep into the inner workings of the Peacemakers.  In today’s episode we:  Explore the nuances between each subtype  Highlight the various ways Nines wrestle with or express their anger Delve into the transformational path for each subtype

May 20

55 min 37 sec

How does a traumatic incident shape the narrative you tell about yourself?  Our guest today, Amy Downs, shares her incredible transformation that occurred as a result of surviving the Oklahoma City bombing.  In the years since the bombing, Amy became a mother, lost 200 pounds, competed in an Ironman Triathlon, obtained her MBA, and became CEO of the same credit union that was bombed.  It’s one of the most dramatic stories we’ve ever had on this show.  Don’t miss this rich conversation as we learn her story, hear how the Enneagram helps in her personal and professional relationships, and explore whether she’s an Enneagram 3 or 9.

May 13

52 min 27 sec

Today, Holly Hayes, award-winning author, founder and CEO of Sanctuary Project, and Enneagram 3 joins me to explore the Enneagram as it relates to healing and recovery, how understanding your stress and security points can help identify your type, and the work required to reconnect with your authentic self. It’s a powerful reminder that we all need a safe place to take off our masks and get back in touch with who we are meant to be.

May 6

51 min 13 sec

Enneagram Ones value principles and integrity and are driven by the need to be good. They are conscientious and ethical and self-controlled. But as with all types, when you dig into subtypes and instincts you’ll see three different versions of the Improvers personality that look and behave differently. Today, Beatrice Chestnut and I dive into: The importance of being familiar with your passion and how to recognize when it’s taken the wheel What each subtype looks like and why knowing yours is critical How the growth path differs for each subtype of type one   Listen now on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. 

Apr 29

1 hr 3 min

I know many of you are looking forward to today’s show and I’m thrilled to share this rich conversation with Enneagram Nine, Seth Abram. Seth is a long-time friend, pastor, singer, songwriter, creator and founder of Integrated Enneagram, and co-host of the popular Enneagram podcast, Fathoms.  Seth not only shares his wealth of knowledge about the work that is needed to become the fullest expression of our true selves but also provides insight into learning to recognize and embrace the role that anger plays in the transformational path for an Enneagram 9.    In this episode we discuss the:  Fear and passion of the Peacemaker Tension of the polarity of wings on type Recognizing and growing into right action Listen now on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player, then share your thoughts with us on Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter.

Apr 22

53 min 31 sec

Today’s guest, NBA Life Optimization Coach and former professional basketball player, David Nurse joins me to talk about the importance of self-awareness and the role it plays in leading others and optimizing your potential.  David also shares how making small pivots to look at things from a slightly different perspective can open up your entire perspective and lead to life-giving changes. In this episode you’ll learn: Where types go in health and in stress The importance of a positive mindset  How self-awareness impacts leadership and personal performance

Apr 15

46 min 18 sec

In general, Enneagram Sixes focus on scanning for threats and risks, being prepared in case the worst happens, and predicting and anticipating what might happen next so they can be ready to meet whatever challenge occurs.  But, when you get into their subtypes...they can look and behave pretty differently.  I dive into this in-depth today with Enneagram guru, Beatrice Chestnut.  In this episode you’ll learn: What a passion is and why it’s so important to know yours What each subtype looks like and why knowing yours is critical How the growth path differs for each subtype  Listen now on Apple, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player.   

Apr 8

47 min 13 sec

What are the benefits of using the Enneagram in the corporate space? The Enneagram helps grow self-awareness and self-knowledge among team members and executives in order to create a richer, more productive, more profitable environment that is also filled with joy, compassion and empathy.  When applied properly, it really gets under the waterline of consciousness and illuminates why you do what you do and can help you understand how you show up in the workplace.  In this special episode, business experts Scott Allender, Karen J. Hardwick, and Chris Carneal join me for a free-wheeling conversation about the benefits of applying the Enneagram in the workplace.

Apr 1

1 hr 15 min

Everybody fights, so why not get better at it?  But how?   One of the great things about the Enneagram is it’s a wonderful tool for improving communication between friends, family, spouses, and even coworkers. It fosters the self-awareness needed to be able to disagree better, love more, and maintain healthy relationships along the way. Best-known for their hit parodies on social media, husband-wife duo Kim and Penn Holderness share their tips for communicating, talk about the rules of engagement for arguments, and explore their strengths and weaknesses through the lens of the Enneagram.

Mar 25

1 hr

Each of us digests or metabolizes grief in separate ways. It's important to understand how differently people grieve and allow others the space to grieve in the way that is appropriate to their architecture. Author, speaker, and executive pastor at Church of the City, Jonathan Pitts shares his journey through grieving the unexpected loss of his wife, learning to carve out space for joy, and finding beauty in the small things.

Mar 18

50 min 42 sec

Relationships are extremely important to Enneagram Twos.  They are the most interpersonal number on the Enneagram.  They are other referencing -- focusing their attention outside of themselves.  But when you mix the passion of the Two (pride) with their subtypes, Enneagram Twos not only present in very different ways but their transformational path also varies.     Psychotherapist, coach, business consultant and Enneagram guru Beatrice Chestnut walks us through the heart of the Befriender and provides insights into the growth path for each subtype.  So, if you’re a Two, if you love a Two, or if you’re in conflict with a Two, listen through the end of this episode with an open heart and take note of what all Twos share in common and where they differ. 

Mar 11

1 hr

The journey of self-understanding isn’t easy. Each of us are deep, mysterious, and complex beings who don’t fit into one specific box.  Those complexities can sometimes make the process of uncovering your true self difficult. Today’s guest thought he was an Enneagram Seven for a long time but when he realized he was actually a dominant Six with a heavy Seven wing things changed.  Front man of the award-winning Chrisitan group, MercyMe, Bart Millard joins me for a great conversation about the complexities of personality and how fear plays into his daily life.  In this episode, we discuss: what let Bart to conclude his core type is a Six the strong influence wings can have on your core type the difference between about counter phobic and phobic sixes Tune in to hear our conversation and learn more about the inner workings of an Enneagram Six.

Mar 4

1 hr 10 min

We’ve got another great interview today.  An entrepreneur, actor, musician, singer-songwriter, and music executive...hip-hop artist Lecrae joins me in a personal conversation about shame and grief.  We get really honest about his life, where he came from, what influenced his Threeness, a real identity crisis that he hit at the height of his fame, and what role therapy has played in his healing and restoration.  

Feb 25

40 min 13 sec

What mud do you bring into your relationships?  Though we’re often unaware of them until we can no longer ignore them, each of us carries hidden beliefs adopted in childhood into every relationship. And until we bring that mud, those self-limiting beliefs, to the surface they’re going to work against us as adults.  This week, Toni and Carey Nieuwhof, join me to talk about the unconscious messages that impacted their relationship, identify the seven core issues that tend to take out marriages, and share what they learned while working through their “messy middle.”  

Feb 18

56 min 36 sec

Enneagram Nines have an innate ability to foster peace with those around them.  With their intuitive wisdom and great skill in listening to differences and understanding multiple perspectives, Nines seem to have a leg up on the rest of us when it comes to spirituality.  Artist and multiple Dove award nominee, Audrey Assad beautifully gives us an honest look into the importance of spiritual community, embracing shadow work, and manifesting a non-anxious presence. Listen through to the end as Audrey also offers a few great tips for Nines.

Feb 11

1 hr 1 min

How do you do the things within your control without falling under the illusion that you are in control?  Control is a big theme in all of our lives...it just shows up in different ways. No matter your type, we all try to control others with the suite of behaviors that go with our type.  In fact, we train people to respond to us and interact with us in a certain way based on our type. So, how does an Enneagram 3 respond when faced with something they can’t do -- something that’s out of their control?   National bestselling author, speaker, founder/CEO of the Own It Academy, and host of SHE, a top-rated podcast for women, Jordan Lee Dooley opens up about one of her most challenging struggles, how she is responding to the complex emotions surrounding grief, and learning to let go of the things she can’t control. We love it when our guests get vulnerable because it reminds us that we are not alone. And, you are not alone.

Feb 4

45 min 10 sec

As we navigate the current climate it’s easy to become disconnected. But as humans, we’re actually wired for connection.  We must look for opportunities to connect with each other.  Connection is fuel for the soul. And who better to explain the beauty of connection, of togetherness, than Morgan Harper Nichols. For Enneagram Fives who may already isolate, and be comfortable there, Morgan’s words illuminate the importance and the challenge of balancing that space and connection. Morgan Harper Nichols is an artist and poet whose work is inspired by real-life interactions and stories. Morgan spent the first couple of years of her professional life as a college admission counselor, and then, as a full-time touring singer-songwriter and musician. It was on the road that she cultivated her curiosity and passion for writing, art, and design and slowly began to share her work online.

Jan 28

58 min 12 sec

I often get emails from our listeners asking how the Enneagram can help their marriage.  And usually, the email is asking for advice on a specific type-combination.  That can be difficult to answer because there are so many variants with the Enneagram. But, when you understand the Enneagram--and not just your own type--it can be an invaluable tool for communication and support in any relationship, in any type-combination. Today, we’ve got a young couple joining us to talk about how the Enneagram allows them to help each other do ‘work’ within their own type.  Our special guests, Maddie and Paul Voge, owners of the sparkling water line, Aura Bora, share:   What a relationship between a 7 and a 9 is like Where their types go in stress, and How the Enneagram helps them manage extreme stress Listen in for some great Enneagram insights then set a reminder to watch Shark Tank on Friday, January 22nd to find out whether they “got a deal.”

Jan 21

46 min 8 sec

I’m often asked how trauma affects your Enneagram type.  The answer is: it’s complicated.  Trauma is the result of an extraordinarily stressful event that shatters your sense of security and safety and makes you feel isolated and helpless in the world.  It can be a one-time event or ongoing, complex trauma.  Your response to trauma largely determines the type toward which you gravitate as a little child as a way of coping in the world. In today’s episode, Chris Cook opens up about his childhood trauma and how healing his broken spirit exposed his true self.  We also dig into unconscious motivations, subtypes, and the inner critic.  You don’t want to miss this in-depth conversation. Christopher Cook believes people should be able to live successful, meaningful lives, far above the status quo of “just getting by.” Put simply, he believes people should be able to win today. He exercises this belief as a leadership coach and business consultant to both Fortune 1000 and non-profit organizations. Additionally, he is the host of “Win Today with Christopher Cook,” a weekly podcast available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart Radio, and most other outlets. Through his work at WINTODAY.tv and as a featured writer for SUCCESS Magazine, he serves as a guide to wellness-minded men and women who are eager to confidently design their roadmap to wholeness and show up each day fully-alive in their true identity.

Jan 14

1 hr

We often think of Enneagram Eights as powerful, charismatic, and natural leaders.  They make great mentors with an uncanny ability to inspire and uplift people.  Our guest today is a wonderful example of a healthy Eight leader who understands how to balance the power of her personality with self-restraint and vulnerability while motivating others.   Dr. Sasha Shillcutt shares what drives her as an Eight, how she’s managed the past year of the pandemic, and why it’s important for her to empower other women to live life “brave enough.”  In this episode, we hope you will discover: When and where to lean into the 7 wing or the 9 wing of an Enneagram Eight Enneagram Eight subtypes and how they show up differently in the world A few tips for mitigating the passion (lust) of the Eight   ABOUT DR. SASHA SHILLCUTT Sasha K. Shillcutt, MD, MS, FASE is a renowned cardiac anesthesiologist, Tenured Professor and the Vice-Chair of Strategy and Innovation in the Department of Anesthesiology at the University of Nebraska Medical Center (UNMC). Sasha is also a wife, mother, well-published gender-equity researcher, and Founder of Brave Enough, where she leads over 12,000 female physicians. She teaches professional women resilience, self-care, and negotiation through events, retreats, and courses. Sasha speaks frequently to executives and companies on the topics of professional burnout, resilience and gender equity and has a featured TEDX Talk on Resilience: The Art of Failing Forward. Her writing has been published in both the New England Journal of Medicine and JAMA. Her book, Between Grit and Grace, and podcast, The Brave Enough Show, elevate women to lead authentic and empowered lives.

Jan 7

56 min 7 sec

At their best, Enneagram Twos truly radiate the unconditional, altruistic love of God. They just sort of signal love out into the world in a way that no other type can. But they also have a hard time being able to stop meeting the needs of others which can empty their tanks and lead to resentment.   This episode resonated so well with a lot of our Two listeners. So, take another listen as Lisa-Jo shares what has changed for her at mid-life, what led her to embrace the superpowers and the kryptonite of an Enneagram Two, and how she knows when it’s time for her to refuel.   Cheers to a New Year!

Dec 2020

1 hr 5 min

Decision making takes courage. But sometimes the commitment to find the best option consumes an enormous amount of mental energy and can leave any of us exhausted and stuck. However, when you learn to stop overthinking you can start spending time on things that bring more peace, love, and joy into your life. Today, we're revisiting my interview with Anne Bogel on getting decisive.  Though we focus a lot on Enneagram Nines in this conversation, I think you'll find her advice applicable -- no matter what your type is! So, take another listen as Anne gets to the heart of decision-making as an Enneagram Nine, shares what perfectionism-driven overthinking looks like, and suggests a few disciplines that Nines can use to get out of analysis-paralysis. Wishing you all a very happy holiday!

Dec 2020

41 min 50 sec