Never Contemplated

The Florida Bar

The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism presents Never Contemplated, a candid discussion with female judges from across the state about gender bias, professionalism, and civility in the judicial system, hosted by Judge Hetal Desai. Disclaimer: The views expressed by the participants of this program are their own and do not represent the views of, nor are they endorsed by The Florida Bar, their respective officers, directors, employees, agents, or representatives. None of the content should be considered legal advice. As always, consult a lawyer.

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In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Judge Sheri Chappell who discusses the importance of mentoring and always striving to be above the adversarial process.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5693. 

Dec 3

33 min 14 sec

In this episode of Never Contemplated, Judge Desai welcomes Justice Jamie Grosshans who is currently Florida's only sitting female Supreme Court Justice to discuss her path to the bench.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #5632. 

Nov 1

37 min 46 sec

Join us as we open Season Two with two amazing sisters on the bench. Our host, The Honorable Hetal Desai, explores the careers of Southern District judges, Beth Bloom and Robin Rosenberg who share their paths to the bench which led to their collaboration and development of the nationally recognized “Civil Discourse and Difficult Decisions” program. This podcast has been approved for 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #5588.References:Civil Discourse and Difficult Decisions Distance Learning: Civics for Civic Engagement in the Federal Courts Civil Discourse: Social Media and Cyberbullying

Sep 27

47 min 35 sec

Join us as we wrap up Season One with the ultimate legal professionalism #girlsquad! Our host, The Honorable Hetal Desai, delves deep into the careers of female judges who serve in The Florida Bar's Standing Committee on Professionalism (SCOP). Be inspired and motivation by the paths of Judges Miesha Darrough, Gisela Then Laurent, Daliah Weiss, Patricia Barksdale and Carolyn Bell.This podcast has been approved for 1.5 hours of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 1 hour of Professionalism Credit. Course #5233.References: Embrace All Girl All Power! After School Programs & Camps, Miami Lakes.

Jun 2

1 hr 27 min

Judge Howard shares her journey to the bench as well as her passion for performing Naturalization Ceremonies and promoting Civics education. This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4600.References: Judge Marcia Morales Howard Honored with Hoeveler Judicial Professionalism Award, Judge Marcia Morales Howard honored by The Florida Bar, The United States Welcomed 50 New Citizens in a Naturalization Ceremony at Half-Time of the Jacksonville Jaguars Game against the Cleveland Browns November 29, 2020, 2021 Pro Bono Awards, Cuban American Law Program

Mar 17

31 min 55 sec

The Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism welcomes Judge Patricia Seitz, the first female Florida Bar President to discuss how to shatter glass ceilings.This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4501.References: Judge Seitz interview for the Center’s Historical Video Series; Pro Bono Matters website; Judge Patricia Seitz to Receive Distinguished Federal Judicial Service Pro Bono Award; U.S. District Judge Patricia Seitz honored by Miami Catholic Lawyers Guild; NED Award to Patricia Seitz; Court-Assisted Re-entry (CARE) Court presentation; Judge Seitz sculpture

Feb 5

50 min 42 sec

Judge Costello shares her journey to the bench and the importance of mentoring and giving back.Judge Costello's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JessGCostelloJudge Desai's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JudgeDesaiFlorida Children and Youth Cabinet: https://www.flgov.com/cyc-members/This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4360.References: Florida Children and Youth Cabinet Members, Judge Costello on Twitter, Judge Desai on Twitter

Dec 2020

31 min 51 sec

Judge Ashenafi Richardson shares her trailblazing story of being a first generation immigrant attorney and her path to the bench.This podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4315.References: Minorities in the Legal Profession, Florida Bar issue paper; Helping First-Generation Lawyers Thrive, Law Practice Today article; How She Did It: Judge Nina Ashenafi Richardson’s Path to Leadership, Florida Bar Podcast.

Nov 2020

34 min 12 sec

Judge Andrea Wolfson discusses the importance of civility, congeniality and community in the legal profession.REFERENCES:Friendship between Justices Scalia and Ginsberg:What we can learn from Ginsburg’s friendship with my father, Antonin Scalia - The Washington PostGinsburg And Scalia: 'Best Buddies' - NPRArticle about a Prison’s Book Club similar to the one referenced by Judge Wolfson: Success Inside and Out: A Program for Women in Prison - NAWJThis podcast has been approved for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4223. 

Oct 2020

29 min 8 sec

The Florida Bar’s Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism welcomes Judge Rachel Nordby to share her experience and advice on balancing family and the bench.This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General CLE Credit, 0.5 hours of Bias Elimination Credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism Credit. Course #4141.References: Justice, Interrupted, Bradwell v People of State of Illinois

Sep 2020

34 min 13 sec

From The Florida Bar's Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism comes a new podcast about gender bias in the judiciary and the practice of law.

Sep 2020

3 min 2 sec