The River Radius Podcast

Sam Carter

This is a river podcast, and a great story, boating, science, adventure and conservation podcast.

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The Gila River and Gila Mountains of New Mexico have been home for Indigenous people for thousands of years, for colonial Spanish and Mexican people for hundreds of years, and now for all of those folks under the United States since 1912.  This river along with The San Francisco River and The Mimbres River were just nominated for Wild and Scenic River protection.  This is a river of families, lineages and gathering.   GUESTSNathan NewcomerGuadalupe CanoPatricia CanoMichael DarrowSimon Sotello IIIUS Senator Martin Heinrich INFORMATIONWild and Scenic Rivers ActGila WildernessAldo Leopold WildernessNew MexicoThe M.H. Dutch Salmon Greater Gila Wild and Scenic River Act  (several links at bottom of linked page) ORGANIZATIONS WORKING ON LEGISLATIONNew Mexico ORGANIZATION OPPOSED TO LEGISLATIONHeritage Waters SPONSORED ORGANIZATIONAmerican Rivers GEOGRAPHIC REGIONSMogollon RimChihuahuan DesertSonoran DesertColorado PlateauBasin and Range


Nov 24

52 min 46 sec

Dry rivers and deserts full of irrigated nut trees. Jacob Morrisons new film, “The River's End: California’s New Water War” leans into the questions about agriculture and how rivers can be maintained. In this interview, we delve into some of the topics in the film.RIVER'S END FILMwww.riversendfilm.comInstagramTwitterFacebook RIVER RADIUS PODCAST EPISODES ON CALIFORNIA WATEREp. 27  "Southern California's Water, Yesterday & Tomorrow"Ep. 26  "Recycling (river) Water in Southern California"Ep. 16  "Mile 0 Sacramento River Source to Sea"Ep. 18  "Mile 153 Sacramento Source to Sea"Ep. 20  "Pacific Ocean takeout for SacSource2Sea" 


Nov 3

33 min 22 sec

Rafael Gallo began kayaking at the University of Tennessee in the 1970s, founded Rios Tropicales in Costa Rica in the 1985, prevented the Rio Pacuare from being dammed, was inducted into the International Whitewater Hall of Fame in 2009, taught ex-Columbian FARC soldiers to become river guides in 2018, was known and respected across the globe for his river work, and during his life helped plant nearly 31,000 trees, all to protect and support rivers.  In March of 2021, he passed away.  This episode is a conversation with his son, and his personal assistant/biographer about his life and his way.   RAFA:  RIVERS & FORESTS ALLIANCERAFA websiteGo Fund Me for RAFA, IWHOF and IRFRAFA on FacebookRAFA on Instagram ABOUT RAFAEL GALLOA tribute to Rafael Gallo in Paddler MagazineEx-FARC Guerrillas in Columbia train to be Raft GuidesRivers that build peace:  Rafting with ex-combatants in ColumbiaNavigating Rough Waters with Rafael Gallo in Costa RicaHonoring Rafael Gallo:  Go Fund Me Launched for RAFA, IWHOF, and IRFInternational Whitewater Hall of FameRios TropicalesInternational Rafting Federation RIVER BOOK by RAFAEL GALLOThe Rivers of Costa Rica  

Oct 14

48 min 18 sec

River shuttles are as important to a river trip as the boat.  And sometimes shuttles are easy and when they aren’t easy, they can be horrible.  This episode is a set of four stories from The River Radius listeners about their sh!%%y shuttle experiences.   RIVERS FROM THIS EPISODEUsumacinta River, MexicoGreen River, UtahNew River, West VirginiaGauley River, West VirginiaGauley FestRio Grande River, TexasColorado River, Grand Canyon, ArizonaMancos River, ColoradoJohn Day River, OregonDeschutes River, OregonFeather River, CaliforniaFeather FestFrench Broad River, North Carolina RIVER RADIUS PODCASTWebsiteFacebookInstagramEmail


Sep 28

49 min 58 sec

New Mexico passed a law in 2015 that unintentionally resulted in two public rivers now being fenced off from public use by private landowners. A case was presented before the New Mexico State Supreme Court in 2020 looking to have the law repealed. This episode interviews Lesli Allison from the Western Landowners Alliance and Steve Harris from Far Flung Adventures to get the clear story. GUESTSLesli Allison, Executive DirectorWestern Landowners AllianceSteve Harris, OwnerFar Flung Adventures ARTICLES*There are years of articles on the 2015 Law and Rule.  A web search will lead you to many stories."New Mexico Supreme Court asked to weigh in on water fight""AG backs fishing access in streams across private land""Game Commission rejects landowners on stream access" RESOURCES2015 Law New Mexico ConstitutionRed River Valley Supreme Court CaseAmerican Whitewater's Navigability Toolbox SPONSORED ORGANIZATIONAmerican WhitewaterGila River Wild & Scenic Sponsorship link

Sep 14

42 min 30 sec

This episode is a quick hello and a request for story input from you, our listeners of The River Radius.  Do you have a story of a river shuttle that went sideways, really far sideways?  We want to hear from you.  There are more details in this super short episode.  Thanks for listening!EMAIL:  hello@theriverradius.comINSTAGRAMFACEBOOK 


Aug 24

2 min 1 sec

Southern California is home for 19 million people and imports the majority of its municipal water from the Colorado and Sacramento Rivers, moving that water hundreds of miles through humanmade aqueducts.  Both rivers have decreased flows meaning less water for So Cal.  This episode looks at how So Cal gained water, how they are changing their water profile, and how rivers may continue to be impacted by their extractions.  COMPANION EPISODE: "Recycling (river) Water in Southern California" GUESTSMETROPOLITAN WATER DISTRICT OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIAREGIONAL RECYCLED WATER ADVANCED PURIFICATION CENTER PEOPLE, POLICY, INFORMATIONWILLIAM MULHOLLANDST FRANCIS DAM COLLAPSECALIFORNIA WATER WARSCOLORADO COMPACT BOOKSCADILLAC DESERTSCIENCE BE DAMMED ARTICLES (just a few, there is a lot of media on water in the Southwest this year)LA Times:  ‘Unrecognizable.’ Lake Mead, a lifeline for water in Los Angeles and the West, tips toward crisisCBS This MorningKUNC:  Colorado River Basin Reservoirs Begin Emergency Releases To Prop Up A Troubled Lake PowellCBS This Morning:  Mega Drought in the West RIVER RADIUS PODCASTLink to episodes here"Mile 0 Sacramento River Source to Sea""The Returning Rapids of Cataract Canyon 2021""The Silty Byproduct of Lake Powell"email  

Aug 11

49 min 37 sec

For many decades water has been recycled after it runs through sewage treatment plants in cities large and small in many states and countries.  That recycled water is used for landscaping and industrial cleaning.  Today with decreasing access to imported river water, the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California has built a test facility to further clean treated waste water to the standards of drinking water.  The plan is to learn how to do this so the water looks great and is completely safe, then return it to the drinking water system.  Essentially by reusing water, they are creating a new water source for their customers.  With decreasing flows in the rivers that deliver water to Southern California, this project is lining up to offset these losses, and can provide data and models for other cities to engage in the similar practices.  Metropolitan Water provides water to 19 million humans through their 26 partner agencies, the cities and counties of Southern California.  Join us for an onsite tour of the plant.  WEBSITESMetropolitan Water District of Southern CaliforniaRegional Recycled Water Advanced Purification Center INFORMATION ON PLACES, INFRASTRUCTURE, ACTIONS AND POLICYSouthern CaliforniaColorado RIverSacramento RiverSacramento Source to Sea river expeditionState Water ProjectColorado River AqueductOwens ValleyColorado River CompactBOOKSCadillac DesertScience Be Dammed ARTICLES (just a few, there is a lot of media on water in the Southwest this year)LA Times:  ‘Unrecognizable.’ Lake Mead, a lifeline for water in Los Angeles and the West, tips toward crisisCBS This MorningKUNC:  Colorado River Basin Reservoirs Begin Emergency Releases To Prop Up A Troubled Lake PowellCBS This Morning:  Mega Drought in the West RIVER RADIUS PODCASTRelated Episodes, link here"Mile 0 Sacramento River Source to Sea""The Returning Rapids of Cataract Canyon 2021""The Silty Byproduct of Lake Powell"email 


Jul 27

51 min 12 sec

This past June of 2021, Matt Moseley attempted to swim 52 miles downriver in one day in the Green River of Utah.  He was swimming to make a statement about the state of water in western US.  The river he was swimming was at record low levels.  Matt has completed open water swims in the Colorado River, Lake Pontchartrain, the Caribbean Ocean, Lake Tahoe and he does it all to bring attention to water.  His "early morning job" is open water swimming.  His "day job" is a PR strategist.  He serves as the co-chair of the Colorado River Council for American Rivers and recently published his first book.   MATT MOSELEYWebsiteBook:  "Ignition"Green River SwimWikipediaYoutube Channel MARK WILLIAMSVeterans Path:  Website, Instagram, FacebookWORLD OPEN WATER SWIM ASSOCIATIONWebsite AMERICAN RIVERSOpen Position:  Associate Director, Southwest River Protection ProgramPHOTO CREDITJohn Mans:  Instagram, WebsiteRIVER RADIUS PODCASTWebsiteInstagramFacebookEmail


Jul 6

56 min 21 sec

Saco RiverMount WashingtonWhite Mountains Atlantic Salmon JOE KLEMENTOVICHInstagramWebsite RIVERS FOR CHANGESource to Sea ProjectsInstagramWebsite THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteFacebookInstagramEmail 

Jun 22

52 min 30 sec

While interviewing Dr. Laurence C. Smith for an episode in May about his new book, "Rivers of Power, we went down a rabbit hole of talking about Supraglacial Rivers.  This short conversation gets the basics of these unique rivers that start on the top of the glaciers and is a more candid expression from Dr. Smith about this topic that he researches at great depth.  Supraglacial rivers are constantly moving their locations, changing flows and are unique among rivers as they carry no sediment.   GUESTDr. Laurence C. Smith RESEARCHNorthern Change Research LaboratorySupraglacial River Forcing of Subglacial Water Storage and Diurnal Ice Sheet Motion BOOKSRivers of PowerThe World in 2050 VIDEOSWhat a Glacial River Reveals About the Greenland Ice Sheet ARTICLES THE RIVER RADIUSPrevious episode with Dr. Laurence C. Smith, "The Book:  Rivers of Power" on our Website, Apple Podcasts and Spotify.   WebsiteEmailInstagramFacebook


Jun 8

21 min 47 sec

The groover is one of those words that has become an adjective, a noun and a verb and originally has nothing to do with the thing it defines.  The groover is that portable, leakproof and reusable river toilet that gets packed on so many overnight river trips.  It has become an essential tool for protecting the quality of the river corridor where humans travel for recreation.  This episode is a conversation with people who experienced the rivers when the need for the groover first emerged, and these are the people who did the work to develop and spread the groover as a tool across the western United States.  Selway Fabrication, sponsor of this episode & manufacturer of excellent modern groovers, offering 10% off their products for River Radius listeners until June 23, 2021.Desert River Kayak, Canoe and Float Tubes:  Helen Howard’s company, a guest on today’s episode.SWCA Environmental Consultants:  Steven Carothers’ company, a guest today’s episode.   BOOKS & ARTICLES“Hijacking a River” a book of the modern Grand Canyon history by Jeff Ingram, a guest on today’s episode.“Lifetime Achievement Award” for Jeff Ingram, a guest on today’s episode.1977 Downriver Magazine article by Steven Carothers, guest on today’s episode.“Steve Carothers” in the Boatman’s Quarterly, by Lew Steiger and Steven Carothers.  “Saving rivers just as they are has been good for Idaho,” by LuVerne Grussing, guest on today’s episode.“Guest Opinion: Congress must reauthorize Land and Water Conservation Fund” by LuVerne Grussing, guest on today’s episode.“Picking the Best River Toilet” from RiverBent.“They call me Groover Boy” by Kevin Fedarko, a story of carrying the groovers on commercial river trips in the Grand Canyon.  “Your guide to the Groover” by OARS. THE RIVER RADIUSWebsiteEmailInstagramFacebook   


May 26

1 hr 2 min

"Rivers of Power"was published in 2020.  It covers humans' history with rivers from some of the earliest civilizations to the most powerful nations today and how water is possibly the greatest natural capital.  Rivers, their water and their usefulness for society has not changed.  What is changing is how humans can and do move that water from source to a place of use.  This episode explores great canals that are under construction, massive dams that are creating international tensions, efforts to use water over and over and over.  Our human relationship with rivers is ongoing and morphing and simultaneously static.  Dr. Smith seems to know this and is able to explain this through cultures and time.  Dr. Laurence C. Smith was a professor at UCLA for 20 years in the Geography Department and now teaches at Brown University.  He also conducts research in the northern arctic learning about rivers that form from the ice melt of glaciers.  Videos and links of Dr. Smiths arctic work and research: The River Radius PodcastWebsiteEmailInstagramFacebook


May 11

1 hr 4 min

Sacramento Source to Sea:  Website, InstagramSacramento RiverRivers for ChangeRiver Radius Podcast:  website, instagram, facebook, emailSan Francisco BayAngel IslandGolden Gate BridgePrevious River Radius Podcast episodes on Sacramento Source to Sea(this link goes to the home page; simply scroll down to each show and press play)Mile 0 Sacramento River Source to SeaMile 153 Sacramento Source to Sea


Apr 29

35 min 5 sec

For many years, I have wondered about what really makes up a river.  I can see the basic features and the flows, the source and end.  But how does it really work?  Why does it work?  What are the prominent forces creating the path of the river.  This longer episode is a direct interview and conversation with Dr. David Montgomery from the University of Washington in Seattle.  Dave is a geologist by training and says to understand landscape, you have to understand rivers.  He is an author and appears if a few films about rivers and geology.   DR. DAVID MONTGOMERY Professor at University of WashingtonBooks he has authoredSoil and mushroom research websiteTwitterBands:  Big Dirt, Good Bones RIVER RADIUS PODCASTWebsiteEmailInstagramFacebook EM RIVER, LITTLE RIVER RESEARCH & DESIGN WebsiteYoutubeTwitterInstagram

Apr 13

1 hr 5 min

In March of 2021, three women launched a source to sea expedition on the Sacramento River in California.  In this new episode, we talk for 25 minutes with the crew at mile 153 and hear about how the river has changed once they left the mountains and was impounded behind a few different dams.  They call themselves Sacramento Source to Sea.  They skied on snow to get to their river launch and began paddling downriver.  We interviewed them before they launched in episode 16, Mile 0 Sacramento River Source to Sea. They are now low in the Central Valley meeting river people in river towns to learn about how modern day communities engage with this river that irrigates farms and ranches that feed America.  They will paddle through the capital of California, Sacramento, and switch from pack rafts to sea kayaks and continue paddling on the salt water to the Golden Gate Bridge.  We will interview them again as their trip progresses.  River Radius Podcast: email, website, instagram, facebook.Sacramento Source to Sea instagram. 

Mar 31

24 min 57 sec

The last time Lake Powell was full was in 1986; today it sits at 1/3 of its capacity and it is expected to end 2021 lower than it is today.  As this reservoir drops, it exposes more and more of the sediment dumps that have been hiding below the water.  As the Colorado River hits the dead current of Lake Powell, it drops its sediment load.  That sediment is clogging the river way and is critical to the health of the river downstream, all the way to the ocean, and yet it can't get there.  In the Returning Rapids episode we learned about the problem of the sediment first hand as we toured the clogged river way; in this episode we talk with the managers of Lake Powell, The Bureau of Reclamation, about their vision and plans for Lake Powell and for the sediment that is now in Powell's wake.   Bureau of ReclamationLake PowellGlen Canyon DamHigh Flow ExperimentColorado CompactDisturbance FlowColorado RiverCataract CanyonHite MarinaReturning RapidsRiver Radius: Instagram, Facebook, website, email Relevant Previous Episodes"The Returning Rapids of Cataract 2021" 


Mar 23

37 min 36 sec

Source to Sea trips are the journey from a river's headwaters to where that river meets the salt water.  In 2021, The River Radius will host on river, real time interviews with various source to sea trips.  The first is the Sac Source to Sea, a journey launching on March 14 2021 down the Sacramento River.  The Sac, as this river is called, feeds a huge agricultural community in the Sacramento Valley, and that valley supplies an immense amount of food to the United States.  In this Mile 0 episode, you will meet the three crew members, Ari, Jamie and Alyssa two weeks before they launch on this expedition.  This Source to Sea project will allow us as host and listener to learn about a river we haven't yet explored.  The River Radius website, instagram, and facebook.Sac Source to Sea website and instagram.Rivers for Change (they provided a scholarship to Sac Source to Sea)Sacramento RiverSacramento ValleyCentral ValleySan Francisco BayStrait Up film by Jamie TrappPrevious River Radius episodes with Source to Sea content:138 Days on a RiverRowing Home 5000 Miles

Mar 9

36 min 46 sec

When the free running Colorado River smashes into the still water of Lake Powell, it drops its massive sediment load into Cataract Canyon and the reservoir.  This has been happening since the late 1970s when Powell was approaching full pool.  And for the last 20 years, Powell has been slowly and steadily decreasing its volume because there is not enough annual inflows from the Green, Gunnison and San Juan Rivers that drain the Southern Rockies into the Colorado River.  As the water drops more, sediment and silt is exposed and the river keeps carving down through the mess.  A group of river runners has been paying close attention to the changes as only river runners can do.  They got organized and developed the Returning Rapids project to document the re-emergence of Cataract Canyon and its rapids. GIVEAWAY of EmRiver educational river tableReturning Rapids ProjectCenter for Colorado River StudiesColorado RiverCataract CanyonGlen CanyonCanyonlands National ParkLake PowellGlen Canyon DamBureau of ReclamationEddyline Welding


Feb 24

39 min 38 sec

This trailer for The River Radius Podcast provides a peek into a few episodes and a has a short description from the host describing what this podcast provides the listener.

Feb 19

1 min 58 sec

Do you rally up your river friends each January and coordinate your river permit dates?  Do you get permits?  Do you wonder who is behind the curtain of and the permitting offices?  This episode asked all those questions and spoke with the river permitting "boss" at, and the river permit offices at Dinosaur National Monument, Salmon-Challis National Forest in Idaho and Grand Canyon National Park.  There are people behind the curtain, they are very friendly and shared with The River Radius information to help all of us better understand the why and the how of the river permit systems.  Each river office has a website with relevant information and deep statistical data that tells a story of each seasons application numbers.  Here they are:Dinosaur National Monument main river info pageIdaho 4 Rivers main river info pageGrand Canyon National Park, River LotteryGrand Canyon National Park, River Lottery statisticsRecreation One Stop ( These two previous episodes listed below from The River Radius Podcast offer more and different information about the content in this episode:Hoops’ EchoHerm Hoops worked at Dinosaur National Monument for years and spent many days and nights on the Green River.  He was a strong and passionate river conservationists and wrote a comprehensive history of modern river rafts.  Herm passed away late in 2020.  8000 Years on the SelwayThe Selway River in Idaho has hosted humans for thousands of years with Salmon and Steelhead fisheries, resources to build shelters, and amazing water. Over the summers of 2018 and 2019 archeological research has been conducted on the Selway to clarify and protect the artifacts in the river valley. Jeff Adams explains as much as he can, the story of humans along the Selway long before the Europeans arrived.Contact The River Radius Podcast:

Feb 11

40 min 34 sec

The first river Ellen Falterman paddled was the Amazon, upriver in a 400 lb dugout canoe for a few weeks with her brother.  But that is not the story here.  The story here is that her second river trip was a run down the Missouri River from Montana to St Louis, and then her third river to paddle was the Mississippi River from Minnesota to the Gulf of Mexico.  And she kept going, along the coastal islands and then via the Intra Coastal Waterway to Texas, to her home and her family.  She accomplished this all by the age of 25.  Ellen was peeling back life.  She comes from a family of pilots.  Her older brother, a pilot, crashed his plane into the river and did not survive.  This is the story of a human digging in on her own humanity.  Anointing herself with her grief and finding strength there.  Ellen is a river boater, a pilot, a flight instructor and is preparing to row around the world across the oceans.  ellenmagellanexpeditions.comMissouri RiverMississippi RiverTrinity RiverAtchafalaya River 


Dec 2020

47 min 18 sec

The Blue Nile River starts in Ethiopia and confluences with the White Nile River in Sudan to form the Nile River.  The Nile River is the longest river in the world.  The Blue Nile starts in the highlands of Ethiopia and courses through deep gorges and canyons, open country and passes by many small and larger groups of people living along the river.  This river is home to the Nile Crocodile and Hippopotamus both of which can pursue humans as prey.  The Grand Renaissance Ethiopian Dam was recently completed and is now filling with water from the Blue Nile.  This will inundate much of the river upstream of this dam, change the flows, the nature of the river corridor and the land where many people live.  In 1987 Steve Stahl was 21 years old when he floated the Blue Nile.  in 2019 he came back to see the river again that will soon be underwater.  In this show, he tells of the river and the people that he encounters.  And he explains the Croc rocks.  


Dec 2020

55 min 41 sec

A local guy from Moab, Utah was ready to turn himself in for a warrant in Colorado.  The jail he would spend time in was near the same river that ran through his hometown of Moab.  He brought his kayak with him and planned to float home after his jail time was up.  As he approached the jail, the call of the river and the "nice day" simply won out, and he floated right past the jail.  Downstream that day and the next were two permitted stretches of river, Ruby Horsethief and West Water, and he did not have nor want the permits for either.  He grew up on this river.  That didn't matter to the beauracratic systems in place and his actions invited the River Rangers and state law enforcement to track him down.  This short story gives the details and hears how this human loves this river.  Colorado RiverRuby HorsethiefWest WaterGrand Junction, COClifton, COMoab, UT 


Oct 2020

16 min 44 sec

After the genetically pure Greenback Cutthroat Trout was found above a waterfall in Bear Creek, Colorado Parks and Wildlife quickly worked to secure this fish, and to propagate it in its native basin, the South Platte River Basin.  Projects have included several smaller stream areas where the Greenback has been reintroduced to its basin.  Currently the largest project yet, over 30 miles of stream reintroduction, is in the works.  This is a multi-agency effort, involves the Wild and Scenic Poudre River, and in the effort to restore a fish, the ironic path of eliminating other fish and possibly using dynamite to further change a stream are part of the plan.  Are these too much or are they simply what is needed to bend the path of the Greenback back to its true headwaters.  This episode explores fish biology, Wild and Scenic River regulations, modern river recreation, and genetic diversity.  Colorado Parks and WildlifeRocky Mountain National ParkArapaho and Roosevelt National Forest and Pawnee National GrasslandsWild and Scenic Rivers:  Cache La Poudre RiverAmerican WhitewaterPoudre RiverSouth Platte River BasinCameron Peak FireGreenback Cutthroat Trout

Sep 2020

41 min 1 sec

Before Manifest Destiny arrived in North America, the Greenback Cutthroat Trout only lived in the South Platte River Basin of the Southern Rockies in Colorado.  This fish was beat up as it lived in the streams where Europeans first inhabited Colorado.  It was then accidentally saved from extinction over 100 years ago by an unknowing entrepreneur who put it up high in a mountain stream where it was left alone for 100 plus years.  In the 20th Century, fish enthusiasts and researchers began work to help this fish recover, except they lacked the absolute clarity of what fish was what in the now genetically mixed fish populations and streams of Colorado.  When a PhD student decided to perform research on the historical path of the fish, many details emerged that were unexpected and that changed and corrected the path of recovery for this fish.  This is a story of raising a nation, changing the natural landscape and then working to repair the harm.  This is a story of the resilience of life and of the dedication of a group of people who work to bring this fish back home.   Colorado Parks and WildlifeDr Jessica MetcalfDr Kevin RogersBoyd WrightRocky Mountain Flycasters TUGreenback Cutthroat TroutEndangered Species ListColorado State FishArticle / Research 1Article / Research 2

Sep 2020

39 min 50 sec

The Poudre River starts in Rocky Mountain National Park and flows through fantastic country.  Immediately when it leaves the mountains it is put to work providing water for humans in many applications.  This river even has its flows augmented by inputs that are diverted from streams on the other side of the Continental Divide.  Today, there are several Front Range municipalities and water districts actively working to develop water rights from the Poudre for distribution and use in existing and emerging homes.   One project is NISP, Northern Integrated Supply Project; the other is the City of Thornton pipeline.  There is very real concern more water extraction from the Poudre will dry this river up before it flows through the City of Fort Collins, Colorado.  On this show we are joined by American Whitewater, Northern Water, Diversify Whitewater, Rocky Mountain Adventures, and Larimer County.  Unable to join were the City of Thornton and the City of Fort Collins.  This is the story of water and humans in the west in the modern moment.  

Aug 2020

45 min 46 sec

This episode digs into a key concept of waste and the philosophy of Georges Bataille that Zak Podmore uses to define waste.  The authors that have influenced his writing and given him insight into challenging topics are explored to include Charles Bowden and Ed Abbey.  Zak talks about the process of writing this book and the mentors that supported him: Amy Irvine, Craig Childs, Mark Sundeen.  Zak also explains the power of his Mom's life on his life, and then simply enough, uses his own adventures to weave all of this knowledge and wisdom into some fresh perspectives on the pressing layers of life that recirculate through generations.  Zak is writing and publishing this book in the beginning of his 3rd decade and he approaches it with frank humbleness and clarity.   


Jun 2020

48 min 46 sec

In December of 2019, "The Salad Days" film was released telling a brief story of Herm Hoops's life.  He landed his dream job as a Ranger at Dinosaur National Monument, home of Echo Park.  He boated Desoloation Canyon on the Green River again and again and again.  Possibly his last trip down Deso is documented in "The Salad Days."  This interview is with Herm Hoops, his wife Valerie Hoops and film maker Cody Perry.  They talk about Herms life, the concepts of this film, and rivers need the boaters to care for the rivers, and how Herm sees his life.  


May 2020

37 min 11 sec

While spending 25 days intentionally away from the world of technology and news and globalization, a group of friends navigated the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon building friendships, exploring the canyons, resetting their life trajectory.  In that 25 day period, a virus that started at a market in inland China has caught rides in cars, on planes and trains, and has moved to 6 continents, killing people, maxing out health care systems, scaring financial markets, causing rigid governmental responses, and in many places it is ignored as nothing big.  In one moment these friends are having moments of reflection and joy, and then moments of confusion, then they are welcomed back to their new paradigm.  Two members of the trip tell the story with humor and heartfelt observation.  They went into the canyon to take a break, and they come out of the canyon to concerns about family, uncertainty with personal employment, and wondering why there is a toilet paper shortage.  

Mar 2020

47 min 46 sec

For two summers, I have been able to row gear boats down the Selway to support this archaeology research.  My view has been that of the laymen, the novice archeologist, the boater.  At the end of each summer's trip, I have interviewed Jeff Adams of Interior West Consulting to hear the onsite interpretation of what was recorded over the past 8 days.  The stone artifacts tell a story.  The river and its perfect water add to the story.  While I find it stubbornly awkward to make assumptions about a human existence a few hundred years ago to several thousand years ago, I absolutely thrive when I am able to contemplate my short life and how I am like, and am different from the humans who came before me.  This show is two people sitting in an amazing place wondering about life beyond their own.       Also on Instagram at The River Radius, and

Feb 2020

1 hr 1 min

2020 is an important push out year for this podcast.  Target topics are discussed here, and an invitation for you as the listener to engage.  Also, some insight is covered regarding what happened in 2019 to build this podcast.  


Jan 2020

5 min 35 sec

Jenny and Mike Fiebig took 6 months off from their normal working, shopping, daily life to get back to the land and the river. They hiked to the headwaters of the Green River in the Wind River Mountains of Wyoming and started walking, then packrafting and eventually they launched their custom dory on the Green River and went downstream, all the way to the Mexican border with the United States. This could be a story about all the big rapids and waves and runs....and its not. It’s a story about this married couple, these two humans and how they slowed down and went at the pace of a river for 138 days. Stereotypes fell away. New connections were made. And as they say, they met each again after many years of marriage.


Jun 2019

54 min 59 sec

As the winter of 1983 closed out in the Western United States, the Central and Southern Rocky Mountains were covered in exceptionally deep snow. Spring was warming up and rain was falling. This combination of fast melting snow and rain timed the runoff into the Green and Colorado Rivers just perfect to create record high flows well above 100,000 CFS into Cataract Canyon. It was commercial river season in Cataract and two trips were being pushed into running the biggest water in North America to ensure the company made its profit. As the river level continued to rise, trips were loosing boats and the risk was intense. Bego, Laurie Cooper and Tim Cooper were guides that season and are still friends today. 35 years later, they told that story around the campfire of running Cataract Canyon in 1983, a boss who was seeing dollar signs, and helicopters that shuttled notes and people up and down the corridor. See more at Instagram and Facebook.


May 2019

38 min 59 sec