Fringe Legal

Abhijat Saraswat

Fringe Legal is a podcast discussing the future of the legal profession. Aimed at law firm leaders and influencers, each episode is a thoughtful discussion with a diverse range of voices about ideas impacting the evolution of the legal profession.

Along the way, we’ll learn about challenges to be overcome, what’s worked in the past, and expert tips on what could make a difference in the future.

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Ray Bierderman is an experienced litigator with nearly two decades of experience removing obscurity from the eDiscovery process for other attorneys and corporate resources. Ray is the President and co-founder of DiscoveryMaster.co, CEO of Proteus Discovery Group, and Partner at Mattingly Burke Cohen & Biederman LLP.

Sep 15

19 min

Adrian Camara is the CEO of Athennian. Athennian is a legal entity management software for in-house teams and law firms.

Sep 11

17 min

This is a replay from the Fringe Legal Virtual Summit held earlier this year. This panel brings together four leading knowledge managers and innovators to discuss some of the projects they have started or have seen sprouted in crisis situations. The panel will bring together a world view as we'll be joined by Thao and Priti is the US (New York and Chicago respectively), Barbara in Brazil, and Terri in Australia.

Aug 27

76 min

Ab and Vincent sit down for the first of the monthly “chatter” segments on Fringe Legal during which they discuss the Epic vs. Apple/Google saga, California vs. Uber and Lyft, and the upcoming Microsoft Surface Duo device.

Aug 23

32 min

Mick Sheehy joined PwC as a partner in October 2018 to build and run PwC’s Australian NewLaw practice, focussed on providing strategic consulting, technology, and outsourcing solutions to legal departments. Mick is a recognized international leader in the field of legal innovation and transformation, having won numerous international legal innovation awards and with his work the subject of a case study for Harvard Law School. Mick founded and chaired the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium Australia, an industry body established to share best practice legal operations and innovation knowledge. Mick is a director of Fitzroy Legal Service, a member of the advisory board to Swinburne University Law School, has an extensive commercial and M&A background, and before PwC spent 14 years at Telstra where he was General Counsel.

Aug 17

42 min

Andrea is a visionary leader with a passion for combining digitalisation with human potential. She has 20+ years of experience in the legal business both as a transactional lawyer and as a leader for various business areas (marketing, business development, innovation and legaltech).

Jul 23

33 min

Alma is an Evangelist at Litera. Alma is a legal technology expert and trusted advisor to Litera clients, helping them to bring innovative ways of thinking and practice to life. Previously, Alma was the Chief Innovation Officer, Legal Solutions, at Integreon Discovery Solutions. Alma joined Integreon as part of its acquisition of her litigation management software business, Allegory, where she was Founder and CEO.

Jul 19

27 min

Ben White is the Founder of Crafty Counsel, the video-led digital media company for legal.

Jul 13

55 min

Mike Whelan, Jr. Mike has worked in logistics, solo law practice, and legal media. He teaches about the overlaps between those activities and what they mean for attorneys and the companies that aim to serve them. Through his speaking, consulting, and writing, Mike aims to improve the lives of solo attorneys. The legal industry has many well-documented struggles. If we can harness the minds and compassion of solos—roughly half of the profession—we can have real impact on an array of social issues, including access to justice. That is Mike’s mission.

Jun 29

42 min

Dr. Allan McCay has a PhD in Law (University of Sydney), is an admitted solicitor in Scotland, Hong Kong, New South Wales, and Tasmania (Australia). He is an author of several books, and teaches at the University of Sydney Foundation Program and will again be lecturing in Criminal Law at the University of Sydney Law School in semester 2, 2020.

Jun 22

55 min

Chrissie Wolfe is a solicitor in Irwin Mitchell's international personal injury team, specializing in claims arising outside of England and Wales. She also runs the YouTube channel, Law and Broader.

Jun 11

40 min

Katrina Gowans is the National Legal Transformation Lead for Origin Energy. Katrina is also a member of the Advisory Board on the College of Law’s Centre for Innovation, a legal innovation think tank established by the College in 2016. Prior to stepping into Legal operations, Katrina was a lawyer at Origin for 5 years and before that worked in the competition and consumer practice at King & Wood Mallesons for over a decade.

Jun 4

44 min

Karina Vazirova is the founder of KV Labs - a digital product agency, where she helps businesses get the most out of technology. Her current focuses on highly regulated, fast-growing companies that are looking to optimize their compliance function with tech.

May 28

50 min

Sam Moore is the Innovation Manager at Scottish firm Burness Paull.

May 21

38 min

Shannon Desmarais is the national manager, legal solutions at Canon

May 11

17 min

Maziar is the Innovation Manager at Linklaters in Italy. He has years of experience delivering supermassive legal matters and changing the way that law firms operate. He has held practice-wide, national, and global roles.

May 1

48 min

Torsten Torpe is the Head of Legal Tech Innovation at Bech-Bruun. Torsten will also be part of a panel at the Fringe Legal Virtual Summit 2020 on 7th May.

Apr 23

40 min

Seb Shakh is the Founder and CEO of Love Legal Caroline Ragan is the COO of Love Legal Love Legal is an online platform empowering you to offer modern estate planning services to your clients with ease.

Apr 16

44 min

Michele DeStefano is the Founder and Executive Director of LawWithoutWalls, and Professor of Law, University of Miami. She’s an author, speaker, independent consultant, and facilitator to law firms, corporate legal departments, and legal startups on innovation and technology, culture creation, teaming, and cross-practice, cross-border initiatives. Michele is the author of Legal Upheaval and New Suits.

Apr 9

52 min

Jan Roggen is the founder of Adhemar.law, a Belgian environmental and real estate boutique law firm. This is the last episode of the season.

Mar 12

39 min

Kim Lewis is the Legal Transformation Manager at Gilbert + Tobin.

Feb 27

49 min

Isabella Galeano is the founder of The Technolawgist. She is head of legal at Abertis Mobility Services, legal tech and legal innovation consultant and Director of the Legal Tech Programme at Esade Law School. Her mission is to contribute to the transformation of the legal industry and to inspire lawyers around the world.

Feb 13

37 min

Jackson Liu is a recovering lawyer and management consultant. He currently serves as Vice President, Markets & Growth for Neota Logic. In this role, he is responsible for growing the company’s presence across the globe by working with clients to create solutions and derive value out of the Neota Logic AI automation platform.

Jan 30

41 min

On the show today, we have Stewart Rasmussen. Stew is a friend, a technologist, and someone who is extremely knowledgeable about the Australian market, especially the legal segment. He's previously worked for the likes of Phoenix Business Solutions in the UK and APAC, served as the Head of Client Services APAC for HighQ, and most recently was the Director of Legal Technology for KPMG Australia.

Jan 16

35 min

Allison Hosking is the Head of Knowledge Management at Al Tamimi & Co where she oversees a team responsible for all aspects of the firm’s knowledge management strategy across their 17 offices. -- With the start of the new year we try a different format. We ask crowdsourced questions about Knowledge Management to a KM leader. --

Jan 2

38 min

Nina Gratrick is the Head of IT Services at the global law firm of Watson Farley & Williams. We talk about how the evolution of IT service delivery, and how by being customer centric, it's possible to push the boundaries of change at your firm.

Dec 2019

45 min

Laura Collins Scott is the Innovation Lead for Clifford Chance in Singapore. In this episode we talk about Laura experience on leading the Create+65 Innovation Lab in Singapore. Laura Collins Scott began working with Clifford Chance in 2017 when she was initially engaged to define the strategy and business plan for Clifford Chance Applied Solutions.Laura founded BB Consulting in 2016 to help incumbent companies and start-ups design and build innovative products for their customers.

Dec 2019

42 min

On this episode we have Peter Buck, VP, Product Strategy at NetDocuments. The core of the conversation focuses on tackling multi-teaming - the effects of having multiple people working on multiple projects simultaneously. We pivot then to focus on productivity, discussing how it can be measured and the impact of constant context switching, discussing against the background that it takes one around 25 minutes to reach full productivity, but people are interrupted every 3 minutes! Be sure to check the full show notes for links to articles and books mentioned in the episode.

Nov 2019

24 min

Welcome to the 2nd season of the Fringe Legal podcast. In the first episode we speak with the Maya Markovich, Head of Product at Dentons Nextlaw Labs. The core theme of the episode is all around innovation; we cover three broad categories: 1) The 3 different pillars of NextLaw labs, and how innovation can take the robot out of the lawyer 2) How do you catalyze innovation? What that means, and the importance of becoming the connective tissue across the firm/business 3) Impact of legal tech on access to justice Thanks to Maya for taking the time, and also to Isabella Galeno (who’s featured later in the season) for introducing me to Maya.

Nov 2019

40 min

A sneak peak into Season 2 of the Fringe Legal podcast. Episode one of the second season comes out of November 7, 2019. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to be notified of new episodes.

Nov 2019

3 min

Clarissa Rayward, also known as ‘The Happy Family Lawyer’, specialises in helping couples stay out of Court and work together to reach a resolution to their relationship breakdown. A practising family lawyer,she is the Director of the Brisbane Family Law Centre, a multidisciplinary practice. Clarissa is based in Brisbane, Australia is a speaker, author, and hosts the popular podcast “Happy Lawyer, Happy Life”.

May 2019

37 min

In this penultimate episode of season one, I speak with the fantastic Thao Tran. Thao is the Knowledge Manager at the international firm Fried Frank. She's based in New York, and is also the Member Liaison for ILTA in NYC.

May 2019

43 min

Nicola Shaver is the global Director of Knowledge Management at Paul Hastings LLP in New York. In her role, she focuses on opportunities to optimize processes and introduce tools that will improve efficiency and productivity, and on leveraging the firm's intellectual capital to better serve clients. Nicola has worked in the legal services industry for over 15 years in three different jurisdictions. Nicola is passionate about finding innovative solutions to existing problems, building a culture of innovation within law firms, and instilling an empathic approach to design.

Apr 2019

39 min

Angela Dowd is the Director of Practice Innovation for the law firm of Burns & Levinson LLP in Boston, Massachusetts. In her current role with the firm, she is works with practice groups and administrative departments to increase efficiency and streamline business processes. She has also been active member of the International Legal Technology Association (ILTA) for many years, speaking at the annual conference. She is in her second term on the Board of Directors, currently serving as President. In addition, she has spoken at Association of Legal Administrators, Legal Marketing Association and the Law Firm Alliance conferences.

Apr 2019

38 min

Paul Domnick is President of Litera Microsystems, having been President of Litéra Corp from 2014 to 2017. He brings unique insight into the utility of the Litera Microsystems’ risk management solutions having previously been CIO of Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer for five years. Before taking on this role in early 2007, Paul was head of global IT sourcing for Zurich Financial Services.

Apr 2019

55 min

Thomas Haines is a software engineer and entrepreneur . He is the CEO/Founder of Practice Insight and he currently works on the company's latest tool - WiseTime, an autonomous, privacy first timekeeping software. Tom holds a BSc, LLB (Hons), and LLM, and has qualified as a solicitor, barrister and Australian registered patent attorney.

Apr 2019

44 min

I was lucky enough to be able to sit down in-person with both two amazing leaders - Andrea Markstrom (CIO at Blank Rome) and Meredith Lonner (Administrator at Franklin, Weinrib, Rudell & Vassallo). Andrea and Meredith are from very different firms, not just in the type of law they practice, but also more obviously, the size. There were plenty of contrasts between how Meredith and Andrea approach similar topics, such as looking at technology, working with the partnership, and even how they found themselves to be in legal. However, (and perhaps surprisingly) there were similarities also and I walked away from the conversation with plenty of learnings.

Mar 2019

44 min

I speak with Stevie Ghiassi. Stevie wears a number of hats, and most recently he published the viral book Blockchain for Lawyers. Rather than talking about the ins-and-outs of blockchain technology, instead we try to answer the question: why lawyers and law firms should care about blockchain technology and smart contracts? And, how the technology will impact the profession in the future.

Mar 2019

46 min

Kate Simpson is the National Director of Knowledge Management at the leading firm, Bennett Jones LLP. In this episode we discuss everything from what knowledge management means to Kate, her approach to KM projects, and how one can become a intrepreneur & disrupt from within.

Mar 2019

47 min

In this inaugural episode of the podcast, we speak with Joy Heath Rush, the CEO of ILTA about her views on the changing legal landscape. Joy talks about testing assumptions she had about the ILTA community, trends she's seeing in the legal profession, and what firm leaders can put into action immediately to make a noticeable difference.

Mar 2019

49 min

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