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Episode 93 : Mapping Other Worlds With Makiia Lucier

By The Imaginaries

"Geography isn't *where* is Kansas; it's *why* is Kansas." - Ruthie Gilmore In what worlds have you found yourself recently? We discovered the work of Makiia Lucier by way of her 2018 work of cartographic fantasy, "Isle of Blood and Stone," and we were instantly smitten. And despite time zones and reasonable bedtimes, Lucier agreed to speak with on the 'cast about all things mapped and unmapped. What do maps do for us? Why does fantasy, and to a lesser extent science fiction, make such a happy home for the cartographic impulse? What does including ACTUAL cartographers as characters allow a story to do? What can the real world (and all its many modern digital instruments) offer an author setting out to craft a new world? Lucier helps us tackle of these questions and more. You can find out more about Makiia Lucier at or on Twitter at @makiialucier, where we have been sharing some of our favorite science fictional and fantastical maps under the hashtag #mappingSFF, and we invite you all to submit your own maps for us to celebrate! "Song of the Abyss," the sequel to "Isle of Blood and Stone," hits shelves on August 27th. You won't want to miss it! [ Editor's Note: We are always a bit of a work in progress, and this week our struggle has to do with Tony's audio, which had a weird feedback sound to it. Apologies for that; we'll keep working to make our audio sublime! ] Like our content? Our website is, and you can drop us a line at or find us on Twitter at @imaginary_pod. You can listen to our episodes on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, and SoundCloud, as well as find all of our back episodes on YouTube once they have shuffled off these other earthly coils. If you would like to help support our work, you can give us a rating or review on whatever platform you use to listen to your podcasts, and if you would like to offset the costs associated with our podcast, you can support us financially at

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