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79: The Path of Beyond and Beneath

By thirdspace

What can we do, when we get wounded, to stay in a relationship with others that’s dignified and respectful of everyone's humanity? It’s a question pertinent both to our personal relationships and to our troubled, fractious conversations about the big issues of our times. A conversation with Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace. In this conversation we explore together how we might navigate a course between ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ when we're wounded, without it having to entail that we give up on ourselves or others. We discover together that much of what’s often called for is a kind of acceptance of life’s inevitable messiness, that there are limits to our attempts to have the world go just the way we want it, that forgiveness nearly always involves a kind of grieving, and that through all of this there is nevertheless a profound kind of hope and healing that’s possible between us. Turning Towards Life is a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. You can find the source text and more information on this conversation here ( and find more, including details about how to join us live, on our website Photo by Hoang M Nguyen ( on Unsplash (

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