203 - Weather and Whiskey with Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel
By Bourbon Pursuit
This guest gets more TV face time than The Bachelorette. He has built up a big fan base among weather geeks and now Jim Cantore of The Weather Channel joins Bourbon Pursuit to talk about his career, braving crazy storms, and how weather patterns and global warming are affecting today’s bourbon stocks. We also get to hear a funny story shared by Jim and Fred as they were drilling barrels of whiskey together at Jack Daniels. This episode gives you a look into Jim’s everyday life and how bourbon became a part of it. Show Partners: Barrell Craft Spirits blends and bottles at cask strength just as nature intended. Find out more at BarrellBourbon.com. Receive $25 off your first order with code "Pursuit" at RackhouseWhiskeyClub.com. Show Notes: The Curation Desk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fSTu8zbAwM Chuck Cowdery’s Top Bourbon List https://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-best-bourbons-ever.html Pursuit Series Episodes 010 and 011 https://pursuitspirits.com/ This week’s Above the Char with Fred Minnick talks about whiskey decanters. How did you get involved in weather? When did you start drinking whiskey? After you first started drink bourbon, what were you seeking out in the store or bar? What's the strangest thing anyone has said to you in public? Do you get annoyed that people associate you with disasters? Do you get a high being in bad weather? Do you ever get panicked in certain weather situations? When you celebrate a job well done, what do you drink? Tell us about your interest in cars. Was deflategate real? Can your joints hurt from weather changes? Does increased rain impact a microclimate? Waters are rising around distilleries. How will it impact the warehouses? Will the rain affect the white oak trees? Do you predict any climate shifts in the Kentucky area that could affect bourbon? Tell us about the time you picked out a barrel with Fred. How does humidity affect barrels? Jim Cantore Website/Social https://jimcantore.tv/ 0:00 You know, I think I get hit on more now that I look like this that I did when I had a full head of jet black hair. 0:08 What's your wife think about that? Honestly, I think it turns her on. 0:24 This is Episode 203 of bourbon pursuit. I'm one of your host, Kenny Coleman. And there really wasn't a whole lot of news that happened in the whiskey world from our major distilleries out there. So I figured let's look at some highlights of recent news articles and videos from the past week. Fred Minnick, you know him as another host on here, but he also has his own YouTube series called The curation desk. Sometimes it's about bourbon and rum reviews. Other times you get just good nuggets information. And this past week, he released a video on a very unusual topic. I'm not going to spoil it for you, but 1:00 involved in illegal activity that accounted for more American whiskey sales that then in turn led to the temperance movement in the mid 1800s. You're going to really enjoy this one, so make sure you go and check out the link in our show notes. friend of the show, Chuck cowdery came out with his list of his favorite Bourbons of all time. Only six top this list and most of them are unicorns. Very, very old Fitzgerald Parker's blend to mash bills. But there's a surprising one on there. And that's wild turkeys Kentucky spirit. Yes, the widely available and abundantly on the shelves Kentucky spirit. You can read all of his tasting notes plus the entire list within our show notes as well. You heard me talk about on the show two weeks ago, but we have now opened up our recent pursuit series bottlings to the public. Episode 10 is one we're super excited for. It's our collaboration with Finger Lakes distilling. It's a five year we did mash bill bottled as 2:00 barrel proof. And as much as to our knowledge, it is the only one in existence that's out there. It tastes like you're chewing on a piece of Juicy Fruit gum. So you're going to notice a subtle nod to that in our show notes. And this is priced at $65. Episode 11 is like a salted caramel coming in at 10 years from our Tennessee stock of bourbon, and it's priced at $75. The links to pick these up are in our show notes and you can read more about them at pursuit spirits.com. We've recently sold out of episode six and are running very low in episode seven. So don't sit around and wait for these. Today's guest gets more FaceTime than the bachelorette. He's built up a big fan base amongst weather geeks. And now Jim Cantore of the Weather Channel joins bourbon pursuit to talk about his career. braving those crazy storms you see in viral videos, and how weather patterns and global warming are starting to affect today's bourbon stocks. We also get the 3:00 funny stories shared by Jim and Fred as they were drilling barrels together at jack daniels. This episode gives you a look into Jim's everyday life and how bourbon became a part of it. As a side note, this was a very timely episode. This podcast talks about the current climate and how Jim predicted the current tornado outbreak that's affecting Oklahoma in the recent weeks. And our thoughts and prayers are with the families affected during this time. But with that, let's hear from our good friend Joe over at barrell bourbon. And then you've got Fred Minnick with above the char. 3:37 Hi, this is Joe from barrell bourbon. We blend and bottle a cast drink, just as nature intended. You can find it on the shelves at your nearest retail store. 3:47 I'm Fred Minnick. And this is above the char. I'll never forget this moment. I was in a room and cognac France with a bunch of spirits professionals. The fire was crackling. We were drinking some 4:00 Fresh cognac out of the barrel, and we started debating how cognac was marketing itself. We all had some type of criticism for how that they were pursuing new markets and we all love cognac and to this day, I love cognac. It's a wonderful branding. And one of my big criticisms was around Louie. Louie the 13th bottle. It's like 1500 to $5,000 in Las Vegas. It's a $15,000 bottle. And it's in this beautiful You know, Crystal decanter that really does look like it's fit for a king. But we don't know what's inside it. The cognac maker. You know, Remy Martin never really revealed what was inside the bottle. That was 10 years ago. And today we're starting to see that happen and bourbon. You're seeing these fancy fancy bottles come out nice decanters really crafted and just look or Nate and 5:00 Beautiful. Woodford Reserve just came out with one bad rap bottle. It's going for 1500 dollars. Now brown Forman is always transparent about what's inside the bottle. And they were transparent with this as well. But no one's really spending 1500 dollars to get the whiskey. It's for the decanter. And I To this day, think that those decanters, well nice and they're very decorative and they add a nice little element to to the home. I think they devalue the whiskey a little bit. Because when you are buying something for the bottle, you're not buying it for the whiskey. So there's got to be a happy medium. How do we get past this desire to attract the ultra rich without stabbing the regular guys in the eye? You know, I think there's got to be a happy medium, but how do we get there? Do we lessen the decanter do we put better whiskey in the bottle 6:00 I don't know. But I do know this. When I see a 1500 dollar decanter of American whiskey, it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. And I haven't even tasted the bourbon yet. And that's this week's above the charm. Hey, if you have an idea for above the char like someone did for this one, hit me up on Twitter or Instagram. That's at Fred Minnick. Again. That's at Fred Minnick. Until next week. Cheers. 6:27 Welcome back to the episode of bourbon pursuit, the official podcast of bourbon, Kenny and Fred here today talking about, you're talking to a person that's in a business that kind of affects a lot of what happens inside of bourbon in itself, because we talked about Kentucky bourbon, really making an impact and really how the climate here makes it happen as well. But you know, we're not going to talk about just that. We're in talking about the personality behind the person that's here today. And I know Fred has a pretty good 7:00 story in history about how we came to know our guest today as well. Yeah, that's that's right, Kenny. So we're joined today by the great Jim Cantore, of course, the man you don't necessarily want to see in your town because if he's there, that means bad weather is coming. And we were judges together on the jack daniels barbecue competition a couple years ago. And we really just kind of hit it off and just had, you know, we just started talking whiskey and weather and other things. And, you know, I've met a lot of lot of interesting people in my life. And you know, Jim's one of those people that just kind of stuck and I'd say we've remained friends and I get texts, three o'clock in the morning, one in particular whiskies any good. And he gets he gets texts for me about like, you know, should I take cover for this little raindrop coming down, you know, so 8:00 It's fun, Jim. It's really great to see you. Thanks for coming on bourbon pursuit. Absolutely, brother. Yeah, as I think I got a text me about 20 minutes ago saying, Are you ready to go? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I'm ready to go man next Wednesday. Sounds good. We talked about five o'clock. I'm ready to go. Yes. Yeah. You know, actually, it's this Wednesday. 8:19 Traffic trying to get home and job I apologize for Fred. We're working on his calendar. We're here with it. 8:27 I haven't had time to go back and check to see if it really was next Wednesday or this Wednesday. 8:33 Or do that it's probably I do I research. There you go. 8:40 Well, I gotta tell you to Atlanta traffic. Geez. That's kind of like real traffic, unlike livable. You know, you guys get murdered there on the traffic. Awful. Yeah, you know, it's kind of interesting with all the movies and things now they do and in Atlanta, it's almost like 9:00 The movies has come to the LA traffic into Atlanta. It's really weird. But, you know, one of the mistakes they made years ago was not putting an outer loop in a city of 67 million people know, so not having that outer loop means you got all sorts of commerce coming down from North Carolina, up from Florida, you know, from westbound and Alabama into Georgia, and everything kind of hits in the middle on this little thing called the perimeter in Atlanta. And I mean, it's just incredible. And when you throw a little snow in the mix, who gets real fun? How do how do folks in Georgia handle the snow? 9:41 Well, 9:43 they all leave work at once, Fred, and I mean, I guess it's human nature at the end of the day, because people are like, all right, wow, it's snowing. It's here a little earlier than they told me it was going to be so I need to get on the road. I need to make sure I get home. But of course is there yet 10:00 On the road, so is everybody else. And and and so all that commerce is still coming through Atlanta, and it just locks up the whole system. We had we had Snowmageddon a few years ago here, and tonight spent like 2024 hours in their vehicles. 10:18 Just gridlock. I mean, I've seen news stories where people are like, uh, banning their cars on Atlanta's freeways as well. I mean, that's happened in the past. Well, they did. And, you know, I don't want to just say this is Atlanta is problem because I've seen it in Raleigh. I've seen it in Charlotte. I've seen it in Nashville. I've seen it in New York City. Okay, I mean, I've seen it in St. Louis, just recently. So, I mean, it's just, we have to have a better plan of when we shut down. I mean, you know how we are as humans, man, we want to push it to the edge. And then Okay, we can execute our plan. It doesn't always work that way. Sometimes you got to be early and take your listings. If the forecast doesn't verify, and I'd rather be on that end of it. 11:00 The end of it with, with mom picking up you know her daughter or son at the daycare or dad whoever's picking them up, and they're crying because now they can't get home. And there's no food in the car. There's nothing to back you up with so so those are the human stories, the human part of that, that that I hate to tell, but it happens. Well, let's let's get into like how you got to where you are. You are one of the most fascinating social media follows. For anybody who's interested in weather. Tell us how you got involved in weather where what was the moment that made you want to be a weatherman it was it was all my dad. 11:38 You know, we sat down at the dining room table. And he came up to me and he said, I was sitting down he was standing and he looked at me as someone you want to do for the rest of your life. I looked at I mean, I love electronics. electrician, a fireman. I mean, those are, that's what I'd like to do. He goes he goes look is you need you 12:00 You need to go study the weather. You're like a frequent snows Aren't you leave the barn light on, you wait for the first flakes. You go shovel the walkways your mom can get to work in the morning. You know, you got to wake up for the next 50 years of your life every day to go to work. You better love what you do. You love the weather, go study the weather. Boom, that was it. And that was that was before the weather channel right before? 12:26 Yeah, so he said that to me, in 82. And that's the interestingly enough, that was the birth year of cable. And a lot of it in Atlanta. Because of the, you know, the relatively mild weather with the exception of Snowmageddon, the fact that you needed, you know, 365 24 12:47 seven workforce, you know, low cost of living, I mean, all those things kind of played into cables roll. Certainly I think Atlanta certainly being the birthplace of cable but 13:01 Yeah, we I remember in 86 when I graduated four years later, and my brother came up to me, I was up on a scaffolding painting a building. I just graduated college and he goes, Hey, Jim, The Weather Channel wants to talk to you. And I'm like, oh, wow, The Weather Channel, because we had just gotten them on, on cable. So when I started, we were in 28 million homes. And at the weather channel's peak, we were about 108 million. So I got a chance to really go through that tremendous growth period with the weather channel company, and it was just, I mean, I wouldn't trade it for anything. Wow. best parts of my life, man. Really? When you were you were when you were first when you first started there. What were you drinking? 13:45 Oh, two beers. 13:48 will cheat beers. Okay. I've been making a lot of money. 13:54 Online. So Fred, I went from Old Milwaukee and college. Okay, you believe Sorry, bro. I gotta be honest with you. 14:00 awakened, 14:01 Niccolo Blake. It's great. 14:04 Alright, so when did you When did you start drinking whiskey? 14:10 Probably a 45. I'm just kind of late bloomer, I guess. 14:15 It's almost like his I started playing golf at about 30 years old and, you know, after golf, it's so nice to just go have a drink. And it actually it kind of it started with scotch. And then you know, somebody said, try this single very My dad was a big scotch drinker. So I would go home and see him and you know, as he aged, it was kind of nice to just sit down and have a drink with my dad and drink what he was drinking. 14:40 So I found this old bottle. My grandmother used to work for a liquor store distributor. I found this old bottle of four roses 14:51 like that, why weren't you drinking this? Because I don't know. It's been sitting there for 20 years. So I I popped it open and, you know, the court would 15:00 Just a disaster. I mean, it was shattered. So there's like, so I just pushed it down in there and I started pouring it out and there's cork in the glass. But I took one sip of that. I'm just like, Oh, 15:13 this is my drink. Wow. So you're a scotch drinker on the bourbon drink. So four roses is the bourbon that turns your scotch palate into a bourbon palate. Yes, sir. That's awesome. Fred, do you think that's a little unique? And it's in its sense, too. Because I mean, I know that both of you and I we've tried older four roses, and some of it might not even compare to today's four roses in regards of like the quality that I didn't put out back then. Well, here's the thing is like I would want to see the bottle because there were by by him describing it as having a cork. That makes me think it might have been what was are we talking 90s was this in the mid 90s Oh gosh. This this 16:00 bottle was probably from the 60s 16:03 but when did you When did you have that taste? 16:08 Yes 90s so so it's been in the 90s so if that bottle was from the 60s you know do you recall any like 16:18 foreign language on it by chance was there it was clear American It was 16:26 a bottle because it was shaped like a 16:29 like a pyramid almost. Okay, so then what you had then you actually so I Kenny, he did not have a blend as your as you were thinking he had. I actually think that you had a single barrel from the one of the first single barrels from four roses as they were making their comeback and it was actually from the 90s 16:50 I do have a bottle in here somewhere. 16:55 Really 16:58 good luck finding that Fred. Just 17:00 You want to take a few minutes or 17:03 timeout timeout? Yeah. 17:08 The way that bottle you're describing Did it have a Green Label? 17:13 Do you recall it didn't have any label didn't have any light on it. So so you know, so I will be willing to say it may not have been four roses, but the fact that my grandmother was a distributor and we had four roses glasses, shot glasses, four roses, everything. I'm wondering if, if that was it, and I certainly you know, recently the comeback of four roses. as we as we all know, it's been huge. 17:38 So that's been kind of a bright spot in my eyes for my girlfriend drinks. Nice. Well, we'll talk about that later. 17:47 Well, you but the bottom line is there was there was a bourbon and the 90s that brought you you know, to where you are now and what after you had that taste? What were you 18:00 seeking out in the store and at the bar you and I've talked before a little bit I love grain. 18:07 I love a little candy corn. You know, I love a little caramel. And 18:14 I just I love the just the front end when as soon as it like hits my lips. It's just it's just delicious. And all of a sudden you know what? I started like smoking cigars. And the cigar became a great thing with the bourbon. This even makes it taste better. And cigar so especially you know, especially not an overpowering cigars, so just a lighter, medium bodied cigar. But that's that's kind of how it all got started. 18:42 They didn't even have the sin over here. It was starting to lead you down. 18:46 Well, yes. And you know, meeting friends early didn't help any 18:51 life. So I remember I remember walking down Lynchburg with you and like every 19:00 fifth person someone would stop. Oh shit. There's Jim cantorial tornado coming, you know, is there a hurricane coming? You know, everybody like they would see you and they would be a little afraid of what was commented? what's what's the strangest thing someone has said to you in public? 19:18 Can you sign my breast? 19:22 That's a new one. Fred is Amanda for that to you yet? Yeah. I'm just like, No, I can't. So yeah, I don't do body parts or dollar bills. I don't do face the dollar. So those are the two things that I will I won't sign but everything else is pretty much fair game. 19:41 Related equipment. An answer for that? You were not expecting I wouldn't know. I was. 19:48 I was I was expecting, you know, something. A little bit more weather related versus finding 19:56 the snowflake for me. Yeah. Okay. I'll get on that. 20:00 Do You Do you ever get like annoyed that people have you associated with 20:09 basically disasters? Because that's all you do. You mean you chase disasters for a living? Yeah. So when I did when we were working with MBC, which was just wonderful, I love that relationship with NBC, especially with NBC Sports. Because I got to do the Olympics. I got to do the Winter Classic, Super Bowls. It was just so it it was like being a part of a team, like a sports team. You know? 20:34 They they ran that show like you You had a role. It was an we treated everything like an event and it was really amazing. We rehearsed ad nauseum. We timed it out. I mean, it was really great TV. I I love working for NBC Sports. Wow. And I would do it again in a minute. But 20:56 you know, to to go and do some of those at the 21:00 high end events and be able to be either part of the show in even the littlest of ways with guys like doc Emmerich. And 21:11 you know, Bob Kostis and Al Michaels, who has coined me Dr. Do. They presented me at the London Olympics one time with the Doctor Doom hat? You know, because Al's kind of got an als kind of a closet meteorologist. When he goes out. He tells me when he goes out golfing with his buddies, they asked him about the weather. What's it going to do with? What do I need to dress for today? Of course, Medallia in Southern California. I 21:38 was like, 21:40 Well, yeah, of course they're asking you that it's an easy answer. But that's it was just great working with them. But But I don't know maybe because I just show up in some of the worst weather they've asked me to go out and 21:56 cover hurricanes floods, about done 98 tropical 22:00 systems as I like to call it, because they be the dependent depression and landfall, a tropical storm or hurricane. And 22:08 now I never say I want to get to 100. But it's inevitable, right? I mean, we know we're obviously always going to have hurricanes and tropical storms, but it just I, I like to put myself in the position of some of the worst whether they're all different to get like a, like a high doing that, like you have an opportunity to use. Yeah, I do. I mean, especially when I was when I was a kid. You know, I started The Weather Channel at 22. So, you know, 22:32 by about age 32 when I when I got out there, and this lady came up to me and writes will beach when I was covering hurricane death, she goes, You know what, Jim? I can see her too. She looked petrified. But she walked up to me through a bunch of people. And I said, Ma'am, can I help you somebody and she goes, I just wanted to tell you, you know, we know it's going to get bad here, but I just wanted you to know that we're glad that you're here to take us 23:00 through it. Wow. It was a really interesting moment in my life, especially as a meteorologist because all of a sudden, it wasn't about the swashbuckling through a storm anymore. It was more of a god, you know, I, I got purpose here. And I got it. I had a way to communicate with these people, get them out of harm's way, and really help. 23:24 And that's what that's I never forgot that moment because that was really the turning point. So Jim, I grew up in Oklahoma, and you know, we had NATO's all the time and we lived I lived through many many tornadoes and 23:39 Gary England, oh, it's someone like yeah, we would we would watch News Channel Nine and he, you know, we felt like he saved our life, you know, or we felt you know, he we knew to get covered. Gary was talking about it. And, you know, 23:54 out here in Louisville, Kentucky. I feel like they start getting all panicky if there's, you know, 24:00 One cumulus cloud and the air is there a you know are there's are there like some meteorologists who just have have the chops some who are just a little bit more panicky. I mean, you're brave and you go into anything, but I feel like some of them, you know, I will be honestly, there's probably things that 24:20 none of us should be in. Frankly. 24:24 It's your job to mission as a meteorologist to relay the message, to get people out of harm's way and to not panic yourself. Because if you if that is your 24:37 that's what they see in you. They're not going to listen to you. Okay, there. There needs to be a sense of calm, there needs to be a sense of control over going through this. It's not going to last forever. Most people will make it through it. Sadly, some will not. That is just the way of the world when it comes to a strong tornado. 24:58 We don't I mean, we hit 25:00 That we, as meteorologists, we love the tornadoes that are way out in the open plains. They are over, you know, pasture land that hasn't been farmed yet. That doesn't bother anybody. They don't take out any buildings. They don't hurt anybody. those are those are the beautiful ones to admire from a distance. But the ones that start coming through town you start seeing it debris, shield and cloud come up and you start seeing pieces of building and metal flying all around you know, your your your heart drops your stomach a little bit because you know, now you're in an area where there's population when you start seeing power flashes. 25:38 You know, you know that somebody's in harm's way hopefully everybody got out of that but you know, there's a chance and we're about to interesting enough. I mean, I don't know when this is going to play the podcast we're doing here but we're about to enter a period of really daily tornadoes. In Tornado Alley, traditional Tornado Alley Fred where you are from 26:00 It's going to get it's going to get really busy starting Friday out there. And it's going to last through at least the end of the month. 26:07 And that's 26:09 you know, it's it's such a somber feeling cuz I know I mean, growing up in an area where people died, you know from from a tornado and then you know, that's happened here in Kentucky and Indiana as well. It's just right. You know, I think a lot of people just look at the TV and see you all as like personalities, but you really, 26:27 you really do feel vested in, in the people's lives out there. It's that's not just talking. You know, 26:34 what's really interesting is, you know, I've worked at the weather channel for 33 plus years, and I've never really considered it a day that I have to go to work. Oh, yeah. Is it hard to get up at 315 in the morning, you bet. But it's hard for me to get up at 9am. So 26:52 so but but the fact that I this is a service, this is always going to be a service at the end of the day. 27:01 And that's what makes it great. 27:03 And never gets old that way. That's how I look. And when you come home when you sell it when you're celebrating for like a job well done, like, you know, finding a storm cloud or finding, you know, a pocket of 27:17 you know that saving someone's life, you know, the weather channel, what do you drink, and when you get home to celebrate, or at a bar, 27:25 the first thing I do is 27:28 if he's if he's getting up at 315, he's probably going to bed around. 27:33 I'm going to be asking you guys, I mean, a lot of times there's not celebration. I mean, it's you're coming back, you're literally dragon coming to the door. Because you're working long hours, you've witnessed hundreds of people that have gone through death and destruction. They've lost everything that they're that they own, that they know. You, 27:52 you're out there. Again, like I told you, it's your mission to tell the stories to let the rest of the country know what's happened here and get these people 28:00 as much help as they can get. So when you come home, there's a little PTSD. All right, you gotta deal with this. You gotta you gotta let it go. And I like to go up to my lake house in Lake Blue Ridge, Georgia. I love it. The water the mountains, I grew up in Appalachia. I love it. Being in the south, it's just a southern extended the same mountain chant I grew up on and you can let everything go there. And after that, you can sit back and you can say, Okay, what did I do? Good. What did I do bad? How could I improved upon what I've done? Who Who else could I have helped What else could I have said before the event that may have helped people? Those are the kind of things that you know, sitting out by the fire with 28:45 a little bit of will it's more McKenna 28:50 or speaking French language now. Yeah. So you know, now I know he's like, I know he likes these. I've seen his I follow them on Instagram and when I see Fred 29:00 Yo picture of these, you know, these bottles I'm like, Oh man, this is perfect. I'm right on board because if Fred likes it, it's got to be good. 29:08 Well, I'll tell you like, you know, I can feel that emotion, you know, coming from you. And I just got to tell you, you know, 29:17 yeah, it on mission in your life, you know what I'm yeah, it's right, you know, 29:23 very different but it's like, you know, 29:26 there's got to be pockets of what you do though, where you do find a moment to celebrate. I mean, because you you and your colleagues have found storms and save people's lives. You know, and there might have been one or two or you know, some so you get moments to celebrate or is it always a feeling of like you want you want to know in the moment to celebrate let me give you an example. So the other day yesterday, actually, in the morning, I go in, and in the Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Oklahoma puts out all sorts of for 30:00 Cass, and one of the things they put out are severe weather outlooks from day four through eight. 30:07 And what they'll do is if something needs to a certain probability, they will color in these different areas where severe weather may strike. So I'm looking at their new day four through eight. And I'm like, Holy smoke. Day 4567, and eight are all colored in. I've never seen that before. They must have done that before. No, actually, I don't think they have. So I get on Twitter and I send them a tweet and ask them if they've ever done that before. And sure, and so I started saying it on the air. You know, Hey, guys, I actually think is the first time that that the Storm Prediction Center has an outlook that day four through eight. And it was it just turned out to be that it was it was the first time that they've done that. So you know, what that does for me, is okay, he he he's passionate about the weather. He's alive. 31:00 into his craft to be able to recognize that after they God knows how many outlets that they put out here over the years I mean that was kind of a cool moment for me okay so if that if that's if that's a way to celebrate then then so be it yesterday I just remembered that 31:18 we could find as many small celebrations that drink as we want I mean it's true and in fact is you know Kenny and I you know this is since this is what we do for a living you know, we we just celebrate celebrating so we were looking for something to tell us what do so 31:36 that's a celebrate to day four through eight from SBC. Those guys do a wonderful job. And you know, that's the other thing to a lot of people don't realize you see me on the air. You don't realize how many people are behind the scenes of the Weather Channel. How many meteorologists that converse with how many people are in my ear like Greg diamond, he can't talk. You know, this is you know, Oklahoma City just got 1.5 inches of rain in the last 20 minutes. 32:00 Boom is a great stat for me, I throw it on the air. You know, great Twitter followers like Ryan, Molly and Eric Blake from the hurricane party. It's endless. It's endless, which is why I like Twitter. It's kind of our weather, weather enterprise home. 32:19 But just wonderful, wonderful people wonderful information, information, wonderful knowledge gathering from all these people and friendly, you probably see that you probably see that from comments on G probably see this, you know, I've seen you with with old timers that have have been through the business. You know, you you sit there and you spend a few moments with him and it may not be on Twitter, but it's actually in real life sitting next to him talking. And you kind of pick up a little something. Yeah. And it just it just helps the whole cause right at the end of the day so 32:50 and Kenny I would say like, you know, 32:53 the the weather industry is is relatively new in terms of like, you know, the American you know, scene 33:00 But I would say Jim would probably be on the Mount Rushmore of other professionals that's, you know, in and you know, our colleagues 33:11 have hair. 33:14 That's gonna be a new one. Yeah, I'm interested to see that how they do that. Just the various they get the sand actually at the sand down the heads, they can't chisel them out, you know, 33:23 the wind in the rain, I'll do that. That'll do it. It just means you're going to get your cranium better to be a better composite. 33:31 But, you know, you know, 33:33 Jim, you've also you've got some other interests. You're a big fan of cars. And you got you got some stuff there behind you. Tell us tell us about the wall behind you there all the cool Well, what's what's interesting about this stuff behind is I'm a big Yankee fan. Okay, and the NHL ray which the dragster is you see behind me there. 33:50 They actually the Yankee sponsored one of their couple of their cars and yeah, you can see those stragglers, let me see my let's go up a little bit. There. 34:00 Yeah. So you got that going on back back in the day in terms of NASCAR. 34:07 I was a big bottle Labonte fan, Bobby kind of reached out to me and I wouldn't watch him when the 2000 season 34:15 with his crew at Joe Gibbs racing, I mean, that was awesome. 34:19 But they're probably using any sport that's more impacted by the weather than racecar driving. I mean, you can't, you can't unless you're you know, driving an IndyCar it's going to be heavily impacted certainly by by the weather. I mean, ever how they tuned the engine. Obviously, with slicks, you're not driving around a wet track, even a couple of drops of rain, makes that slippery track even slippery or so. There's all sorts of things that certainly impact especially NASCAR. Now, I I see the footballs behind and you talk about sports being impacted by weather. And I know this is really old news, but I think a lot of our listeners 35:00 are probably football fans was the deflate gate was that was that a hoax? Was that is that 35:07 could could you realize so here's the deal even though I'm from New England 35:14 I am actually a huge Packers fan because we went up into the story on you know, Green Bay playing Green Bay and this is before they made the new warmed up fields at Soldier Field and Lambo back in the day in the winter up there was like playing on summit. Okay, when you took a hit you it was like taking a hit on pavement. That's what it was like it okay. And there were there weren't these specialty pads and these warmers these these guys were out there saying players today are soft. Their budget was these 35:47 little little worlds getting a little soft, but that's beside the point. 35:52 But the point is, is that I we went up there to Green Bay, and I'll never forget this guy's name is red daddy. 36:00 He was equipment manager. And he right when we walked in he was so friendly and so wonderful. He took us right into the equipment room. He started handing out sweats socks and hats because it was cold the story we're going to do it was cold because you may need a few of these extra layers and just kind of being around Green Bay for the whole four days was incredible. I'm walking through the you know 36:26 to far as getting taped up in the in the tape room or wherever it is the prep room but to go out and do practice and he looks over at me goes hey, you're that you're that you're that weather guy right? Sure you love 36:41 me is this is the I'm what I'm thinking myself Holy smokes this frickin brett farr. And so I'm like, What do I say to that? So I look back at him. And I say You know what? Hey, you're that 36:54 you're that what that the quarterback guy. So he just laughed and it's just what but it was just so damn 37:00 Down to Earth. There was nothing pretentious. It was just this wonderful town that owns this wonderful team with a tremendous winning tradition. How could you not be green Bay's Pat Green Bay Packers fan? Unless you're a Vikings fan? I get it. But the really and the first game we went to, here I am down on the field. And it's freezing rain is my flight gets canceled. Okay, from from, from Minneapolis to to Green Bay. I'm like, Oh, no. So I will draw. I'm like, screw it. I'm driving. So I'm driving through an ice storm. I finally make it there. It's the fourth quarter. 37:36 They they tie up the game. The Packers tie up the game. And then you remember the Antonio Freeman catch off his helmet? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I was on the sidelines. And 37:46 it was just unbelievable that the passion of the fans that just ever the nobody left and it's Dude, it's 35 degrees, freezing rain. It's brutal out there. And so now it's an overtime for this game. And so I never forget 38:00 Never forget 38:02 to cover story. So deflate gate was 38:10 you've probably heard of finishing beer using whiskey barrels, but a Michigan distillery is doing the opposite. They're using beer barrels to finish their whiskey. New Holland spirits claims to be the first distillery to stout a whiskey. The folks at Rock house whiskey club heard that claim and had to visit the banks of Lake Michigan to check it out. It all began when New Holland brewing launched in 97. Their Dragon's milk beer is America's number one selling bourbon barrel aged out in 2005. They apply their expertise from brewing and began distilling a beer barrel finished whiskey began production 2012 in rock house was the club is featuring it in their next box. The barrels come from Tennessee get filled with Dragon's milk beer twice, the mature bourbon is finished in those very same barrels. 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Does that the right 39:58 let's let's stay a little bit on the 40:00 Some some weird kind of questions like, I have friends who tell me that their knees hurt and that thunderstorm coming. Is that real? Yeah, the pressure changes can affect people kind of cranks up the Arthritis a little bit. 40:14 Sometimes the humidity sometimes the moisture in the air, the cold, damp. 40:19 Yeah, I totally believe it. You know, I don't think there's anything it's one of these things for the candidates. It's not super scientific. I don't think there's a cut rule on it. It is because of the because everybody's body is different. They're affected differently. I mean, one guy's low pressure may not be another guys or gals. All right. It's different. But it's it's definitely there. I've heard it enough to say we've got the evidence. We got the circumstantial evidence. That's very interesting. In American whiskey we are. 40:50 We are read as the same problem he drinks something you can feel it in is nice and nice. 40:55 Especially when I fall down the stairs 40:59 when we 41:00 When we look at like American whiskey we are very much you know, the majority of the distillers are a lot of them are using like kind of climate control but there are some who who are not. 41:12 And it comes up a lot about you know, is climate change going to have an impact on American whiskey and really you know, I think the verdict SAP but the one thing that we're facing a lot of right now in Kentucky is the rain and and like constant flooding, you know, right. So here's what I'm going to say to that. 41:33 We grow a lot of corn. In this country, the Corn Belt is very well known, you know, from the Midwest up through the, you know, across the Great Lakes and into the High Plains. 41:46 They've gotten soak this year, they're going to get soaked over the next couple of days. So that's certainly delays corn. 41:54 But if you let's just say that we warm the planet by two degrees, and the 42:00 Now we open up all these growth areas and Canada 42:05 so not you so now you extend your growth area up and Canada 42:10 you know they did, I think will always be able to grow corn is my total will grow it somewhere will get it from somewhere. Does does like increased water impact a kind of a microclimate of an area because what we're seeing is we're seeing the waters rise around like distilleries like the rivers are getting higher, the lakes are getting higher. Yeah, how will that impact like warehouses and stuff like on a kind of a like a man, that's my biggest concern is, you know, when you look at a warmer atmosphere, you can hold more water molecules, right. And it's the same physics that are squeezing them out. But if you get more squeeze out, you're going to squeeze out more and so it's raining harder. And it really riffing the find these just prolific rainfall events, double digit rainfall 43:00 totals, you know, and ask the folks at Houston they got Houston we got a problem okay because they get these things all the time now. 43:09 So imagine being a city versus you know, farmland where you can take certainly a little bit more water but that is the problem it's raining harder. That is not good because it's raining at rates that the soil can absorb the moisture and so we're also it runs off rich fertile soil and so you changing the landscape you're changing the fertility of the soil, and that's a big deal 43:31 at that, that's something also we have to keep an eye on for sure. There's also maybe a concern like right now the the wide oak forest of the eastern part of the United States seems to be fine, but if this rain keeps up, you know, it's it's surely going to get down to the roots of a lot of those white oak trees. You know, 43:50 it's interesting the the the white folks seem to be doing okay at the moment. 43:57 What I've noticed though, are the red Oh, 44:00 are very susceptible to drought and heat and cold. They're very finicky. There's a lot of rock in the middle. There's a lot of broken limbs, they just don't look healthy. Especially with more water. For example, blares, Ville, Georgia got 44:22 100 inches of rain last year, which is unprecedented. I'm going to be interested to see as we go through the next few years, what impact that has on the Oaks, I actually have, you know, a property where I took down a bunch of red oaks because they were a threat to to homestead. And I couldn't believe what I saw in there, me and my buddy when we cut this tree down, we're like, holy smiley, the whole middle of this rotted, it was gonna fall Anyway, I'm like, thank God, we took that down. So now I'm looking for other red oaks that may need to come down because of the same problem. So there's something going on. 45:00 With the oak and yes, Fred, do 45:04 you know animals and plants know, or had a hint of what's happening before we do as humans? I think that's possible. I really do. So when you look at the last season, the red oak tree now, when you look at Red Oak versus white oak, here's a little kind of a fun like bourbon historical fact, the distillers actually figured out like red oak, that kind of stuff happened to red oak, and it wouldn't retain water when I turned them into barrels. And so that's one of the big reasons why the majority of the barrels are made from carcass album, you know, species of white oak, but yeah, yeah, but 45:39 red oak. Is though, is the red oak has always been the weaker species. Yeah. Yeah, 45:45 Jim, I've got a kind of question for you to when we're talking about, you know, the weather paint, the weather changes and everything shifting. And Fred might be able to kind of talk about this too, because, you know, living here in Kentucky, we hear all the time that Oh yeah, this is the best climate for 46:00 been the cold winters, the warm summers, however, the past two or three winters here and been pretty mild. You know, we've had maybe one school closure two inches of snow. And that's it. I mean, we're not talking, you know, weeks upon weeks of like severe cold weather. Are you seeing any kind of like climate changes or shifting that's happening, at least in our part of the country where we could expect this sort of happening for years to come that could even affect future stocks? 46:33 I mean, guys, there's no question the last 30 years or so, which is it you know, about viable climate record? We've seen warming, especially in the Arctic regions. 46:46 There's no you know, we've measured that the same instruments of measure that warming, so it's definitely there. What's interesting though, is people need to realize that it's not just warm when we 47:00 When you get an overall warming and other things are going on, it can lead to other extremes. In other words, how many record warm February's and marches that we had, and then all of a sudden to snap into a cold blast in April and record lows. So it's these kind of zigzagging really extreme undulations of the jet stream that we haven't quite figured out. Is that is that something because of now what is used to be so much ice over the Arctic? more dark areas that are absorbing heat and maybe changing the overall jet stream? There's there's a lot of speculation here. There's just a lot of stuff we don't know. All right. 47:42 Is this a short term trend? Can the earth correct itself? are humans playing a part? I certainly think you know, with the amount of you're talking about what 7 billion 47:52 probably yes to all the above. Yeah, quite a few billion people out there, you know, certainly impacting things. I do hate that. All of this gets pulled 48:00 Assize because I think if we looked at it from a purely scientific perspective, we could analyze it a little better. But what happens is everything gets politicized and get one side going for the other. And then one side denies it. The other side fights back. It just I feel like we're, you know, the climate in conversation is that a disservice due to political it's very sad because the, the ends of the spectrum, the deniers and the in the alarmists are the loudest, okay? 48:32 It's the majority in the middle that are willing to listen and do something and be good stewards of their planet that are kind of open to all you know, hey, okay, I listened to you. I listen to you. You know what, yeah, maybe I could recycle better. Maybe I can drive an electric car. You know, people that genuinely want to be good stewards of the planet. I think that really needs to be. 48:55 I agree. And don't you think in this wonderful 49:00 world that we live in with so much ingenuity that we will figure out stuff and look at look at Tesla, you know, looking at 49:09 Elon Musk and Tesla, just a great idea. But sometimes with solutions come problem, what do you do with the batteries? You know, 49:19 when the cars are dead, you know, that's a lot of that's a big chunk of waste right there. You know, right now, when we looked over the oceans, I was reading something the other day we have, especially over the Pacific, the pump, the plastic gyres, now four times the size of France, whether that's true or false, I'm just telling you, I read it, that's a big deal. Okay, we can't have that kind of plastic over the ocean. We need to fix that. That is not being a good steward to your planet, and boat in before we worry about these other things. We need to fix that. We need to we need to get a handle on that. And then we can start dealing with the other stuff because that's what humans do. We figure stuff out 50:00 Now, this is a real that's a really great segue into a moment when you and I actually picked out a barrel together. 50:09 How we figured something out so that I can't use the hundred year old drill. Is that where you're going with this? So let me paint the picture for for the audience. This is because it's we're at the barbecue competition and it's the party and 50:28 we're with stormy Warren and a couple other folks course. You know, stormy has his own Sirius XM, you know, station. And we are great guy. Yeah. Also also a cowboy. You know, go pokes. 50:46 You gotta throw it in there, don't you? Yeah, it's right. Go, folks. So we, you know, I'm with the assistant master distiller Chris Fletcher. And, you know, he's given us a tour, and it 51:00 Say, Chris, let's, let's take some barrels. And he's like, Well, you know, we don't really do that, you know, as Chris, let's take some barrels. It's me It's 51:12 seriously Kenny, you gotta go back here. I mean, you know, Fred, well, he's literally drilling this guy. Yeah. All right. And I in the way that he got it done was Fred literally going back and telling stories on the stories from this distiller he was kind of one upping the distiller almost every story that unless like, Who is this guy? This is 51:39 I mean, he just knows everything about bourbon and the history of jack daniels. I'm like, this is unbelievable. So he couldn't say no to friend. Anyway, go ahead, Fred. I sorry, I I No, no, and I gotta tell you, I don't like I don't like doing that. And then never. It's never like super 52:00 intentional. But, you know, the these these brands, these distilleries, they just they have their like marketing spiel and they're like their templates, right? And I just like, you know, when they say something like, you know, we were the first sour mash or something like that I'm gonna be like, well, actually in 1818, you know, 52:23 and it's not their fault. It's just, it's it's marketing, but I know dude, I'm telling you, you had to be there because I'm just like, Who is this? 52:34 He knows everything. Like, this is unbelievable. Like where you 52:40 agree, like he's been a dick as he knows everything. It wasn't like hesitation. It was kind of like, hold on a second. I mean, just off the top of his head. And he would just come out with these incredibly beautiful stories, like only Fred can tell, you know, and it's just like, whoo. I want to hear what he has to say. So 53:00 distiller could not say no when it came to open anyway go ahead we didn't understand go barrel go we were 53:09 we got the chance to crack open some barrels and then it came down to like well which barrels we want to go to? And I said well let's go you know let's let's let's find the ones that have the best age on them. And as we went into the one of the warehouse I don't recall the warehouse but it was you could tell was it was paring down it was a little skinnier. There weren't as many barrels in there and so it was obviously one that they were pulling for their single barrel program. So this was an allocated single barrel warehouse, whatever warehouse that might have been, and he comes up with this fucking drill. 53:45 Will it will it and all these other distilleries have like a real drill? You know, jack daniels with this like hand crank drill, with like I was the one from who's the original distiller for jack 54:00 Daniels? Well, are they 54:03 with a narrow screen or limit loud Dan call? 54:10 100 years old, let's just put it that way. It was a I mean, seriously, it was all I mean, maybe had like two years old probably what do you think it was old? I can't, it did look like something that they would have had American pickers kind of thing. It would have been on the set of Deadwood. It was that old. And they come in here and it's got like this, this handle where you kind of you hold it, and then you crank it over here. And the drill bit the drill but actually looks like it's like somebody forged it with a hammer. I mean, the drill it looks like ancient. So like eight so as old as it was, they could have at least replace a drill, but I don't think they did. Anyway, so it gets in there. And he's drilling. The damn thing just disappears. 55:00 He, he loses the truth in there, like in the in the barrel barrel. Yes. So I'm cranking this thing think about an old crank. And I'm holding cranking it and all of a sudden it just pops out of the drill. I'm like, Oh, it's stuck in the barrel. It's stuck in the barrel. And of course I'm you know, I'm not the laughingstock. Well, we did. We were all laughing but you were also 55:25 stormy did try to drill and Kyle tried to drill a little bit too. Well, you were the only one who had any kind of muscle. I mean, if you take a look at Jim That boy is rip. You know, he's got the biceps. He's got the deltoid. Okay, so the true story here is that stormy and Kyle were too drunk the drill 55:48 that's really where the story but go ahead pick it up. And I was here just playing catch up at this point. 55:54 me he really had the up to it, but so sorry. So that one, that drill didn't work. 56:00 gap. And lo and behold, jack daniels didn't have just one like 1895 drill. They had two drills from 1895. And increase comes marching up with this, this second drill, but this one even looks older. You could tell it they haven't been using. It's got dust on it, and the bit is even more were down. Yeah. 56:23 You're absolutely right, sir. And he gets in. Yeah, Jim's going along. And that won't get stuck in there. So, yeah, 56:31 but so yeah, so Yo, jack daniels two artifacts. That's what we're really good part though. Where we're drinking it got in we're finally got in. And then we start drinking when there were like, how many barrels of wind up tapping we end up tapping like five better three, right? I remember five. Well, okay. And we and actually, Jim, I don't know if you know this, but the barrel that we like the most. They actually bought look for a charity that I support. The Kentucky brain injury Alliance. I could 57:00 The Brain Injury alliance in Kentucky and in the home ride foundation for for vets. So they end up selling it. 57:09 So since we've just beaten up jack daniels a little bit, no, not really just there to tell everybody what happened once we got a sip 57:19 of either the first or second barrel and and it looks at you, Fred and he said, Fred, what would you get this? Or maybe it was storming you said I can't remember who said it, but yeah, no, I definitely said it was like mid 90s or something. I thought it was 9292 57:38 good memory. But it was it was like an incredible complicated whiskey. I've got a bottle of it in here in the office somewhere. But it is I still you know, jack daniels gets gets a bad rap for, you know, for just kind of being in every day like mixer with Coke. But you know, that's what pays the bills. The fact is, I 58:00 They have some incredible barrels in there. And if if you can get a single if you can drink straight from the jack daniels barrels, and I'd put that whiskey up against anything and Kentucky, there's a lot of great whiskey in those warehouses. You know, what's really interesting? Is it for people who haven't been to jack daniels. 58:19 I think the weather actually helps them. Because it's almost like a little tropical rain forest back there. I mean, it's just so humid. You know, you can't help but think whatever this whiskey is sitting in is not going to pick up whatever is in that barrel. Take a part of it. And that's where the magic happens. Right. Yeah. I guess a question for you about humidity in general. I mean, what's that actually doing? Do you think to barrels? I mean, Ryan was who couldn't be on the show tonight. He's one of our other co host. He was talking to like barometric pressure, like, does this humidity help with something like that? Well, you know, it's sad. You mentioned 59:00 barometric pressure because I got a buddy. His name is Paul mentor. 59:04 He is a rum distiller in Key West Florida. First first legal rum. And he 59:13 basically plays that barometric pressure. 59:17 And that's when he distills is wrong with the pressure drops, so he uses the pressure as a part of his game. I think that's really, really interesting. 59:29 But certainly, you know, I don't know how that works in terms of pressure, but I know humidity. Certainly when you add moisture to wood, it swells. 59:40 It opens up the wood. So maybe it brings out more the flavor of the wood into the bourbon 59:47 or the whiskey. Who knows? Well, maybe maybe when you retire from the weather channel, you could go and take a side gig at some of these distilleries and kind of just do more research. I think that whether barrels I think that is simply brilliant. I love that idea. You know, can 1:00:00 I was actually about to say that you know, I'll take 5% that's fine 1:00:05 I think we need to go at this together guys. 1:00:08 We're a team here come on you know Kenny does bottles on whiskey so you know that's there is that pretty impressive right there? Yeah, yeah he's there they're making a go at it it's called the pursuit series and now he's going to send you a few bottles and that right Kenny? twist mom we can make it happen 1:00:26 So Jim, man, I gotta tell you 1:00:30 the just the bourbon world. It it does need a face and whether you know we need we need someone who can be the bourbon face and the weather world. Are you up for it? willing to take that channel chat channel challenge, you know as I kind of get a little bit older and you know all the young kids start taking over in the in the weather world. 1:00:56 Maybe it's time to maybe it's time to switch guns to bourbon. Let's do it. 1:01:00 first things I have to tell you it's been it's been a real pleasure. You know, just being your friend but also having you on. And you know, 1:01:10 cheers to you my friend and everything that you do for for America. Absolutely. And you know, I know we'll be more than happy to be your agent and you know make sure you we talked to the right distilleries for you will make that happen well guys if after we play this and and and the weather channel looks at it and says you can't Tory promoting liquor on on a podcast. That's we don't think we're going to breach your contract. I mean, need you guys. So well happens. here's the here's the good news is that spirits advertise a lot. And you can just spend that as saying like, Well, actually, I got a line over here. You know, they may want to advertise. Oh, contracts good. I was about to say I was like, this is your opportunity right now to say like, what's your go to because all of a sudden the contracts going to start rolling in? Yeah. Well, we're going to hold off on that. 1:02:03 Put together kind of a magic case. And something will arrive in the mail and we'll we'll see what happens. Right. And I know Fred certainly been trying to get me to try some different things. 1:02:13 And they're good there. When a package comes in the mail for Fred, it's like, whew, we need to go here. You know, 1:02:20 and but you need to do from now on, send me the package and tell me what you're sending me before you put it out on social media. Because once it goes out on social media, then you can't get it anymore. You know, I need to get McKenna right now. Because of you. You know how hard it is to get McKenna right now, America fact he kills all of us. I mean, no, ill will feed people. 1:02:48 Thank you, brother. Thanks, guys. Cheers, brother. So my suddenly Yeah, man. Thank you, Jim. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. You know, Fred, as well for for coming on and making sure that you know, able to bring 1:03:00 Jim, because I think we've got a lot of great information in regards of not only just Jim's past and his history, his family kind of having a connection to the distributing business as well. And really what, you know, I guess how whiskies making an impact in your life now too, as well. So it's fantastic just to know that that kind of personal side with you, and before we kind of close off, you know, Jim, I want you to just give an opportunity to let people know like how they can follow you on social media and how they can find you. Just in that regard, as well, guys, I mean, here's how I run my social media at Jim kantor's all business, all weather on Twitter. 1:03:38 Facebook gets all those those tweets at you and Ken Tory on on Instagram is more like, Who is this guy outside of weather, you know, what does he do? Where does he go? Who's he hang out with? You know, what's what's going on with these kids, you know, with Fragile X syndrome. The Parkinson's that my ex wife is dealing with 1:04:00 So you know, those kind of things that this the other storms in my life, you'll find out and I'll tell everyone right now, Jim is an amazing man, and amazing man. And you can see a little bit of that on Instagram. And I hope you all go check it out. Thanks, Brett. I appreciate that. I'm just a man and I appreciate being that guy. So if other people can find it, find a little laugh through through my Instagram or Twitter, Facebook, whatever, enjoy it, enjoy it. Absolutely. And we'll make sure to put that in our show notes for anybody able to go and quickly link to it and be able to follow you as well. Then make sure you also follow bourbon pursuit Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and if you like the show, help support the show patreon. com and if you like what you hear, make sure you submit any sort of suggestions we love hate mail. We love fan mail, whatever it is team at bourbon pursuit.com. So with that, Jim Fred, thanks again for joining today. And we will see everybody next week. Cheers next time.