What's the cost of trying to 'get over' grief, sorrow and pain? Is there another way? Can we perhaps find a way to welcome in ourselves what we'd otherwise try to push away, and in doing so learn to welcome other people more fully too? A conversation about encountering and including difference in our lives with Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace. Here’s Episode 86 of Turning Towards Life, a weekly live 30 minute conversation hosted by Thirdspace (http://wearethirdspace.org/) in which Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn dive deep into big questions of human living. Find us on FaceBook (https://turningtowards.life/join-the-turning-towards-life-community/) to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. We’re also on YouTube (https://youtube.com/c/turningtowardslife) , and as a podcast on Apple (https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/turning-towards-life/id1457818104) , Google (https://www.google.com/podcasts?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ5OTEyMzAucnNz) and Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/4RwESUAwttAdQDCVJvy2hD?si=E3ujeM_xQIWcmrL29dV2Rg) In this conversation we explore together what happens when we try to make certain kinds of experience (grief, sorrow, fear, pain) unwelcome in our lives, and in doing so, try to 'get over' them instead of including them. We talk about the limits of our power in controlling the world - both the outer world of events and the inner world of experiences - and about the cost to us of pushing away that which, given time, patience and kindness, could act to open us ever more deeply to the world. And we see how much it's possible for human beings to help one another with this - how when we act as a welcome to what's 'other' in ourselves we can also help be a welcome to other people. In times when there are many forces trying to push us apart from ourselves and one another, we consider this to be a necessary, dignified and healing stand to take in the world. You can find the source text for this episode here (https://wp.me/p4Tynu-ij) , along with more details about the Turning Towards Life project.