# 13 — Prof Joseph Ciarrochi on Does Being Anti-Social Pay Off?
By Nesh Nikolic
In this episode of the Better Thinking podcast, Nesh Nikolic speaks with Professor Joseph Ciarrochi about aggressive versus pro-social behaviour and the benefits of being anti-social. Joseph Ciarrochi, PhD, is a professor at the Institute of Positive Psychology and Education at the Australian Catholic University. He has published over 100 scientific journal articles and many books, including the widely acclaimed Emotional Intelligence in Everyday Life and Mindfulness, Acceptance, and Positive Psychology. He has been honored with over four million dollars in research funding. His work has been discussed on TV and radio, and in magazines and newspaper articles. Links: josephciarrochi.com (Website)The Upsides and Downsides of the Dark Side (Research paper)josephciarrochi.com/books (Books)Thriving Adolescent (Website)