Famed writer and surgeon Atul Gawande believes there’s a gap between our aspiration for how we treat each other and the reality. In this divisive era, it’s especially challenging to see that all lives have equal worth. He explains to Lucy Kalanithi, professor of medicine, how we can bridge the gap. Kalanithi is the widow of the late Dr. Paul Kalanithi who wrote the bestselling book When Breath Becomes Air. Show Notes Follow Aspen Ideas to Go on Twitter and Facebook. Email your comments to email@example.com. The views and opinions of the speakers in the podcast do not necessarily reflect those of the Aspen Institute.