Through the 90's he played in straight ahead rock bands like Consvmed and Fairpark Drive. As those acts played to their small regional following, he was able to see up close what moved people, what made them feel and connect with the music.
A move to Los Angeles gave him further experience with different crowds and cultures. The years that followed had him playing with long-time friend and collaborator Jonathan Longnecker in their new band, Heroes or Ghosts.
Then, there was relative quiet. Fighting depression and once nearly homeless, the early 2010's saw almost no new music until the middle of the decade brought new love and new music.
An encounter with a Novation Circuit and a Teenage Engineering OP-1 synthesizer opened him up to the world of hardware synths and solidified the final missing piece of the sound he had chased for two decades.